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Posted on 01/22/2004 6:34:29 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator
Sounds like pride to me.
Well, it was nice while it lasted! ;o)
This however is not the place for a doctrinal discussion of mormonism - however - I do ask that if you consider them errant, I will welcome your reasoned response / correction.
I'd be very interested to hear about the traditional Christian creeds they don't accept, if they're practicing LDS.
I was only a member for about 8 years, but having earlier attended Presbyterian, Catholic and Episcopalian churches, I found nothing about the Mormons which struck me as un-Christian. Having read the Bible many times, and studied it a fair amount, I still maintain that opinion.
But maybe my own thoughts are not "traditional". For instance, I don't believe that God created the world in six 24 hour days approximately 6,000 years ago.
Could you elaborate on the non-acceptance of traditional creeds?
And I didn't find your post offensive. Yours was a great example of how people can reasonably disagree, which is what makes for interesting discussions.
Thanks for giving me the opportunity to clarify.
That's right.
Every Bible believer, without exception, only considers a translation accurate if they think it is accurate, that is, translated correctly.
It is not necessary to accept doctrines of men in order to be a Christian. It is necessary to believe in Christ, do what He says, accept the apostles and prophets He has sent, and the Scripture He has commanded them to write.
Now, hopefully, back to the topic of the thread.
I'm reasonably sure Rev911 is talking about certain sections in Joseph Smith's "first vision" account. It's been debated in the forum before. I won't go into it here, as this thread is intended to talk about the new Mod and Mod rules, not about specific beliefs per se.
I have no doubt the "first vision" issue will come up again, as it stands as a significant point of disagreement and contention between the LDS and historic Christianity.
For the purpose of explication, Creeds would include the Athanasian, Nicene, the Westminster Confession, Heidelburg Confession, Chalcedonian creed to name a few. Our Catholic friends could probably fill in the blanks here (I am trying to get electricity and cable going for a new living space and have most of my info packed). Just for starters. I would happily provide more information for you upon request. :-)
Not to mention threads concerning the authority of the Pope, inspiration/infallibility/inerrency of the Bible, which end-times model is more biblical, SSPX versus Novus Ordo, Catholics versus Protestants, Arminians versus Calvinists, Arminians versus Pelagians, Hyper-Calvinism, is Jesus really the Messiah, King James versus other translations, ordination for women/gays, eating meat versus eating vegetables, marijuana, "New World Order" and other conspiracy theories, etc etc etc.
Did I leave anyone's pet subject out? Just want to make sure none of you thought you were being singled out :)
I will be satisfied if you merely list 500 Protestant denominations. It won't even be necessary to identify the significant theological differences. Is that fair?
Thanks for the clarification. I wasn't sure if "button happy" meant overuse, particularly since what your own eyes saw meshed with the reports.
Hopefully I have never been considered one of the button happy people. I have never been told that I was, except by my critics who keep claiming that I am responsible for all sorts of things disappearing, something I am powerless to make happen.
On the other hand, the whole reason we are having this thread in the first place is that far too many posts have been made that violate the rules, but abuse was never pushed, nor did the moderators pull them, and the posts are still there.
The brawlers are going to try to make overuse of the abuse button the bigger problem, but as the article says, the brawling is the bigger problem. How much would the abuse button be used if there were no brawling?
Thanks for your help, and for all that you have done.
Thanks, LM
For the purpose of explication, Creeds would include the Athanasian, Nicene, the Westminster Confession, Heidelburg Confession, Chalcedonian creed to name a few. Our Catholic friends could probably fill in the blanks here (I am trying to get electricity and cable going for a new living space and have most of my info packed). Just for starters. I would happily provide more information for you upon request. :-)
Ha ! Now is when I must tread carefully so as not to be offensive !
The quote you gave I acknowledge as accurate per my memory.
Joseph Smith had been considering joining various churches in his neighborhood, and had been praying for guidance. I don't remember the particular denominations, and thus can skip that method of offending anybody.
The guidance he received was the appearance of an angel, Moroni, who provided the "answer" and was the "Personage".
As the Bible has plenty of cases of angels appearing to people, I don't find this particularly odd that God should send Moroni to Joseph Smith. In fact, it would seem very much in keeping with the Bible.
As far as the part goes about their being all wrong and that their teachings are in error, every Christian sect believes that of every other, as far as I'm aware. Which is again unremarkable. Do Presbyterians believe in purgatory ? Or preaching in latin? Or not eating fish on Fridays ? Do Catholics believe dancing is a sin ?
Regarding the Athanasian creed, Nicene creed, the Westminster Confession, Heidelburg Confession, Chalcedonian creed, etc., I had only heard of a few by name. A few minutes' perusal (ain't the internet better than sliced bread and canned beer?) shows me they all differ from each other, yet all have similarities. The fact is that the Mormon "creed" has much in common with them.
GOD, grant ye mod the sagacity to discern the things should not remain,
Insight to zap the things he should, and the wisdom to know the difference.
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