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To: jimt
From LDS approved scriptures: "I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: 'they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.' " (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith—History 1: 16-19)

For the purpose of explication, Creeds would include the Athanasian, Nicene, the Westminster Confession, Heidelburg Confession, Chalcedonian creed to name a few. Our Catholic friends could probably fill in the blanks here (I am trying to get electricity and cable going for a new living space and have most of my info packed). Just for starters. I would happily provide more information for you upon request. :-)

368 posted on 01/23/2004 1:50:18 PM PST by CARepubGal
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Just to clarify a question asked up the thread, not for any debate or discussion (and on that note,Can we have edit sometime? It would make life sooo much easier for the spelling impaired among us and save the mods a whole lot of time they spend deleting something we say "oops" and have to hit abuse to remove.....) :-)
369 posted on 01/23/2004 1:56:50 PM PST by CARepubGal
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Would this essentially mean then that the bible as we have it today, has been corrupted?
371 posted on 01/23/2004 2:00:12 PM PST by Markofhumanfeet (That's fair. I'm quoting the bible and you can read all about it on my coming toe-tag line;)
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To: CARepubGal
From LDS approved scriptures: "I was answered that I must join none of them, for they were all wrong; and the Personage who addressed me said that all their creeds were an abomination in his sight; that those professors were all corrupt; that: 'they draw near to me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me, they teach for doctrines the commandments of men, having a form of godliness, but they deny the power thereof.' " (Pearl of Great Price, Joseph Smith—History 1: 16-19)

For the purpose of explication, Creeds would include the Athanasian, Nicene, the Westminster Confession, Heidelburg Confession, Chalcedonian creed to name a few. Our Catholic friends could probably fill in the blanks here (I am trying to get electricity and cable going for a new living space and have most of my info packed). Just for starters. I would happily provide more information for you upon request. :-)

Ha ! Now is when I must tread carefully so as not to be offensive !

The quote you gave I acknowledge as accurate per my memory.

Joseph Smith had been considering joining various churches in his neighborhood, and had been praying for guidance. I don't remember the particular denominations, and thus can skip that method of offending anybody.

The guidance he received was the appearance of an angel, Moroni, who provided the "answer" and was the "Personage".

As the Bible has plenty of cases of angels appearing to people, I don't find this particularly odd that God should send Moroni to Joseph Smith. In fact, it would seem very much in keeping with the Bible.

As far as the part goes about their being all wrong and that their teachings are in error, every Christian sect believes that of every other, as far as I'm aware. Which is again unremarkable. Do Presbyterians believe in purgatory ? Or preaching in latin? Or not eating fish on Fridays ? Do Catholics believe dancing is a sin ?

Regarding the Athanasian creed, Nicene creed, the Westminster Confession, Heidelburg Confession, Chalcedonian creed, etc., I had only heard of a few by name. A few minutes' perusal (ain't the internet better than sliced bread and canned beer?) shows me they all differ from each other, yet all have similarities. The fact is that the Mormon "creed" has much in common with them.

379 posted on 01/23/2004 2:24:45 PM PST by jimt
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