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GOOD NEWS - BAD NEWS (Don't Say You Weren't Warned)
Self | 1-22-04 | Sidebar Moderator

Posted on 01/22/2004 6:34:29 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator

GOOD NEWS - BAD NEWS

(Don't Say You Weren't Warned)

The bad news is that I am the newly designated moderator of Free Republic's Religion Forum. The good news is that I am the newly designated moderator of Free Republic's Religion Forum.

First, let's discuss why this is bad news.

I have no doubt that everyone who participates in this forum is aware of the general posting guidelines of Free Republic; they've been in effect as long as Free Republic has been in existence. Just for clarity, here they are again: "NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts."

Having spent the better part of a week reading as much as I was able to get to on the Religion Forum, which includes virtually every currently posted thread, I can say that I've seen no profanity (should be a given on a forum devoted to religion), and only one or two posts which could be construed to contain violence. On that score I commend you all.

Unfortunately, however, personal attacks are rampant. Protestants attack Catholics, and vice versa. Within these two major Christian families, Calvinists attack Arminians, and tit-for-tat. Traditional Catholics attack New Age Catholics, and back it comes. Self-professed Christians of all flavors post gratuitous insults and jibes directed toward Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses frequently. Threads are posted for the obvious and sole purpose of flaming "the opposition", whoever that might be in any particular instance. I could go on and on with further examples, but from many of your posted comments it is clear that all of you are aware of these facts, and seemingly, accept them as the order of things.

It is not the order of things, and it will no longer be tolerated.

Sadly, a forum devoted to perhaps the highest endeavor of the human mind and soul, that of the religious expression of faith, has become an embarrassment to Free Republic. All too often the discourse appearing in the Religion Forum resembles that found in those threads devoted to the War on Drugs, less the profanity, of course. Consequently, the question whether the Religion Forum will remain much longer as a feature of Free Republic, at least in its present format, is very much up in the air. How that question is answered depends entirely on the response each and every one of you make to this announcement in the next few weeks.

Therefore, from this time forward, the Free Republic rule of " NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.", will be more strictly enforced. Furthermore, you are all reminded that this is a religion forum; that is, all practitioners of any recognized religion, provided they also follow the rules, are welcome. However, since a large majority of posters to this forum are self-professing Christians, of one flavor or another, some additional rules will be imposed. You should all be quite familiar with them, even though some of you seem to pay them no heed at present.

These rules are:

"The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself'." [Mark 12:31 (RSV)]

"But I say to you that hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you." [Luke 6:27 (RSV)]

"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another." [John 13:34 (RSV)]

"If you love me, you will keep my commandments." [John 14:15 (RSV)]

Or, if the commandments of our Lord Jesus are insufficient (paraphrasing Paul) speak the truth in love.

For now, enough of the harsh words. There really is good news.

First and foremost, all that has passed prior to today is forgiven. However, my forgiveness, unlike that of God, is continuing but not unlimited. After all, I'm a sinner, too. Transgressions of the rules will be met with three warnings, followed by three progressively lengthy suspensions, after which unrepentant posters will be, shall we say, cast into the outer darkness. Totally outrageous violations, of course, remain subject to the ultimate penalty immediately, as always.

However, I am also aware that love, in the Biblical sense, is not the Hollywood kind of love we hear about all around us these days. Spirited debate is a hallmark of Free Republic, and is welcome. Sometimes the truth (at least as we understand it, through a glass darkly) sounds rather harsh, but even harsh truth can be couched in terms that allow the Christian love of the speaker to come through.

Further, no matter how you read the tenor of this announcement, I am not a martinet. I can be persuaded to change my mind by reasoned discourse. On the other hand, sinful nature that I have, I do not suffer fools gladly. Directing complaints to me over some action I have taken is fine; doing so with insulting language will not achieve the results you desire, and in fact, will probably result in something far worse. And, as always, I am not the ultimate authority regarding any decision I make; anything I do can be appealed to one higher court - Jim Robinson, by whose direction I am here as moderator.

There are some things I will not do. I will not arbitrate theological disputes. I will not resolve questions of church polity. Nor will I render judgment on interpretations of Scripture. Those are all issues for legitimate debate, and I do not propose to take part as just another poster on this forum. Naturally, I have my own opinions on all these issues, but my opinions are my own and I will keep them to myself.

You should also know, I suppose, that I was selected as the moderator of the Religion Forum because no one else wanted to wade into the mess that this forum has become. All too often when abuse reports come into the moderators from the Religion Forum it is discovered that there are no clean hands in the dispute under complaint. More often than not removing the post complained about generates another abuse report asking "why was I punished when he said thus-and-so first". In many cases, removing all of the offending posts makes the thread unreadable. So, whatever you think of me now, or come to think of me in the next few weeks, I'm your last chance. After me comes the abyss.

And do yourself a favor; before you respond to this announcement remember the immortal advice of Jim Croce:

'You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim'

I'm not Jim, but I've got his ear.

One final word. I am not here 24/7. I actually have a life away from Free Republic; consequently your questions/complaints/comments may not be answered immediately. Be patient, they will be answered eventually. In the end, my goal is (our goal should be) that there will come the day when my presence here is unnoticed. That should be attainable if we all act like the Christian brothers and sisters we claim to be.

May God bless you all.


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To: drstevej
Of course, we have Knox's monstrous regiment of women....lol
221 posted on 01/23/2004 6:18:07 AM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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To: ponyespresso
I would pray that you have the Spirit of discernment (in spades, you are going to need the wisdom of Solomon for this, buddy) to understand the difference between an attack and a strong correction.

Unfortunately, in the context of your comment, I'm not Solomon, and doubt that I could play him on TV. Fortunately, in the context of the here-and-now, because then I'd be dead.

Thank you for your kind remarks. Rest assured, eliminating the Religion Forum is the last resort, only to be done if everyone refuses to cooperate.

222 posted on 01/23/2004 6:21:47 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator (I'm keeping a log; wouldn't want to shortchange anyone on their three chances.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
Did my question not deserve an answer?
223 posted on 01/23/2004 6:28:08 AM PST by dsc
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To: drstevej; Antoninus
Hey no fair posting in Latin... we won't know if you're toeing the line!

I'll he'p you with translation:

It's ALL the fault of the Prots!!

224 posted on 01/23/2004 6:31:03 AM PST by ninenot (So many cats, so few recipes)
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To: redgolum
Of course if this board does get yanked, you are all invited to Nebraska for a good old fashioned picnic, followed by a heartfelt session of theology and beer (or other suitable non alcoholic drink!)

Jesus drank wine, not beer. Heretic :)

225 posted on 01/23/2004 6:33:59 AM PST by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
I missed this yesterday.

Thank you, and repeatedly thank you.
226 posted on 01/23/2004 6:34:32 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: dsc
I'm looking for the note in which Warmoose flamed you. Can't seem to find it.

Sorry, I must have overlooked this. The post was pulled.

227 posted on 01/23/2004 6:34:35 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator (I'm keeping a log; wouldn't want to shortchange anyone on their three chances.)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
**"The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself'." [Mark 12:31 (RSV)]


"But I say to you that hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you." [Luke 6:27 (RSV)]


"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another." [John 13:34 (RSV)]


"If you love me, you will keep my commandments." [John 14:15 (RSV)]

Or, if the commandments of our Lord Jesus are insufficient (paraphrasing Paul) speak the truth in love.**

Amen!
228 posted on 01/23/2004 6:35:05 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: *Catholic_list; father_elijah; nickcarraway; SMEDLEYBUTLER; Siobhan; Lady In Blue; attagirl; ...
For your information and continued discussion!
229 posted on 01/23/2004 6:37:05 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: american colleen
It took years of intense therapy for me to get over that!

Copious amounts of Cabernet could have acheived the same results in far less time.

'Smatter, ain't you Irish? :)

230 posted on 01/23/2004 6:42:15 AM PST by Catholicguy (MT1618 Church of Peter remains pure and spotless from all leading into error, or heretical fraud)
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To: Jim Robinson
I would that some will be reformed here, and that we can keep the Religion Forum. Agree with everything that Sidebar said!

231 posted on 01/23/2004 6:42:56 AM PST by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Sidebar Moderator
And division is certainly the goal of the evil one, who I believe delights in Christian bickering. God is love.
232 posted on 01/23/2004 6:50:26 AM PST by MarMema
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To: Catholicguy
NO self-respecting REAL Irish person drinks cabernet!!!

I worked with Irish from Ireland (bar owners) and bartenders from the old sod for years (and had four Irish grandparents - 3 from the old country) and I can say with sober confidence that cabernet was NOT and has never been their drink of choice.

Whatsa matta wit ya?

233 posted on 01/23/2004 6:53:15 AM PST by american colleen
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To: RnMomof7
Jesus tells us that there are those that were not given eyes to see...so He is often missed in the midst of what looks like a storm

I see lots to look at in the storm. I see I see people who are actually trying to say they can't speak of God or convince people of the truth without being rude to each other, Christian and not. I think it is human self-righteousness, not God, that loses its temper and good manners in here. And it is only the temper and good manners that anyone is trying to improve.

If you think arguing in here day and night over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin is your calling, so be it. I won't argue that I spend my time here better.... Although I think I ~could~.

234 posted on 01/23/2004 6:53:32 AM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Catholicguy
"Jesus drank wine, not beer. Heretic :)"


True, but the alcohol content of native Nebraska wines is over 10%. If it became theology and wine we would all be asleep by the second glass. ;)

Hmm, maybe whiskey.... 8)
235 posted on 01/23/2004 6:53:42 AM PST by redgolum
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To: Dr Warmoose
"If Unitarianism is the one true faith, I'll eat my hat.'
-Homer J. Simpson
236 posted on 01/23/2004 6:53:44 AM PST by Pyro7480 ("We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid" - Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Pyro7480
LOL!
237 posted on 01/23/2004 6:54:37 AM PST by american colleen
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To: Sidebar Moderator
I have read this entire posting and you have explained yourself and the terms that we are to use on this forum very well. I have no complaints. Hopefully all will be able to live up to being true Christians..God Bless us all..
238 posted on 01/23/2004 6:54:43 AM PST by .45MAN ("I am what I am because of what I am")
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To: Sidebar Moderator
Excellent news, SM. It would be great to see less toleration for the gratuitous bashing on the main forum of a religion practiced successfully by a billion people, too. While we are at war against the extremists and militants who are misusing their religion as a political weapon against the West, there are many prideful people here who are not willing to heed the call of our own President regarding honoring Islam as a valid religion, and insist on broadcasting endless calumny instead.
239 posted on 01/23/2004 6:57:45 AM PST by Cultural Jihad
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To: .45MAN
I have read this entire posting and you have explained yourself and the terms that we are to use on this forum very well.

Thank you. And please spread the word!

240 posted on 01/23/2004 6:58:12 AM PST by Sidebar Moderator (I'm keeping a log; wouldn't want to shortchange anyone on their three chances.)
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