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GOOD NEWS - BAD NEWS (Don't Say You Weren't Warned)
Self | 1-22-04 | Sidebar Moderator

Posted on 01/22/2004 6:34:29 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator

GOOD NEWS - BAD NEWS

(Don't Say You Weren't Warned)

The bad news is that I am the newly designated moderator of Free Republic's Religion Forum. The good news is that I am the newly designated moderator of Free Republic's Religion Forum.

First, let's discuss why this is bad news.

I have no doubt that everyone who participates in this forum is aware of the general posting guidelines of Free Republic; they've been in effect as long as Free Republic has been in existence. Just for clarity, here they are again: "NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts."

Having spent the better part of a week reading as much as I was able to get to on the Religion Forum, which includes virtually every currently posted thread, I can say that I've seen no profanity (should be a given on a forum devoted to religion), and only one or two posts which could be construed to contain violence. On that score I commend you all.

Unfortunately, however, personal attacks are rampant. Protestants attack Catholics, and vice versa. Within these two major Christian families, Calvinists attack Arminians, and tit-for-tat. Traditional Catholics attack New Age Catholics, and back it comes. Self-professed Christians of all flavors post gratuitous insults and jibes directed toward Mormons and Jehovah's Witnesses frequently. Threads are posted for the obvious and sole purpose of flaming "the opposition", whoever that might be in any particular instance. I could go on and on with further examples, but from many of your posted comments it is clear that all of you are aware of these facts, and seemingly, accept them as the order of things.

It is not the order of things, and it will no longer be tolerated.

Sadly, a forum devoted to perhaps the highest endeavor of the human mind and soul, that of the religious expression of faith, has become an embarrassment to Free Republic. All too often the discourse appearing in the Religion Forum resembles that found in those threads devoted to the War on Drugs, less the profanity, of course. Consequently, the question whether the Religion Forum will remain much longer as a feature of Free Republic, at least in its present format, is very much up in the air. How that question is answered depends entirely on the response each and every one of you make to this announcement in the next few weeks.

Therefore, from this time forward, the Free Republic rule of " NO profanity, NO personal attacks, NO racism or violence in posts.", will be more strictly enforced. Furthermore, you are all reminded that this is a religion forum; that is, all practitioners of any recognized religion, provided they also follow the rules, are welcome. However, since a large majority of posters to this forum are self-professing Christians, of one flavor or another, some additional rules will be imposed. You should all be quite familiar with them, even though some of you seem to pay them no heed at present.

These rules are:

"The second is this, 'You shall love your neighbor as yourself'." [Mark 12:31 (RSV)]

"But I say to you that hear, love your enemies, do good to those who hate you, bless those who curse you, pray for those who abuse you." [Luke 6:27 (RSV)]

"A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another; even as I have loved you, that you also love one another." [John 13:34 (RSV)]

"If you love me, you will keep my commandments." [John 14:15 (RSV)]

Or, if the commandments of our Lord Jesus are insufficient (paraphrasing Paul) speak the truth in love.

For now, enough of the harsh words. There really is good news.

First and foremost, all that has passed prior to today is forgiven. However, my forgiveness, unlike that of God, is continuing but not unlimited. After all, I'm a sinner, too. Transgressions of the rules will be met with three warnings, followed by three progressively lengthy suspensions, after which unrepentant posters will be, shall we say, cast into the outer darkness. Totally outrageous violations, of course, remain subject to the ultimate penalty immediately, as always.

However, I am also aware that love, in the Biblical sense, is not the Hollywood kind of love we hear about all around us these days. Spirited debate is a hallmark of Free Republic, and is welcome. Sometimes the truth (at least as we understand it, through a glass darkly) sounds rather harsh, but even harsh truth can be couched in terms that allow the Christian love of the speaker to come through.

Further, no matter how you read the tenor of this announcement, I am not a martinet. I can be persuaded to change my mind by reasoned discourse. On the other hand, sinful nature that I have, I do not suffer fools gladly. Directing complaints to me over some action I have taken is fine; doing so with insulting language will not achieve the results you desire, and in fact, will probably result in something far worse. And, as always, I am not the ultimate authority regarding any decision I make; anything I do can be appealed to one higher court - Jim Robinson, by whose direction I am here as moderator.

There are some things I will not do. I will not arbitrate theological disputes. I will not resolve questions of church polity. Nor will I render judgment on interpretations of Scripture. Those are all issues for legitimate debate, and I do not propose to take part as just another poster on this forum. Naturally, I have my own opinions on all these issues, but my opinions are my own and I will keep them to myself.

You should also know, I suppose, that I was selected as the moderator of the Religion Forum because no one else wanted to wade into the mess that this forum has become. All too often when abuse reports come into the moderators from the Religion Forum it is discovered that there are no clean hands in the dispute under complaint. More often than not removing the post complained about generates another abuse report asking "why was I punished when he said thus-and-so first". In many cases, removing all of the offending posts makes the thread unreadable. So, whatever you think of me now, or come to think of me in the next few weeks, I'm your last chance. After me comes the abyss.

And do yourself a favor; before you respond to this announcement remember the immortal advice of Jim Croce:

'You don't tug on Superman's cape
You don't spit into the wind
You don't pull the mask off the old Lone Ranger
And you don't mess around with Jim'

I'm not Jim, but I've got his ear.

One final word. I am not here 24/7. I actually have a life away from Free Republic; consequently your questions/complaints/comments may not be answered immediately. Be patient, they will be answered eventually. In the end, my goal is (our goal should be) that there will come the day when my presence here is unnoticed. That should be attainable if we all act like the Christian brothers and sisters we claim to be.

May God bless you all.


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To: Markofhumanfeet
The people brave enough to contend for the faith are the ones who stand up and testify to that faith. That appears to be a sin here, whereas the brown nosing weasels, which are some of the worst offenders in abuse on these threads, hunker down in the face of reprisal and survive to offend again.

[sigh] "brown nosing weasels"

If you are suggesting that to contend for the faith requires that you use such terminology to describe brother and sister Christians, or anyone else, for that matter, you won't be around here much longer.

141 posted on 01/22/2004 9:09:42 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator (I'm keeping a log; wouldn't want to shortchange anyone on their three chances.)
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To: Marcellinus; Sidebar Moderator
I welcome the prospect of a new climate on the religion forum.

Me too!

143 posted on 01/22/2004 9:11:45 PM PST by american colleen
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To: Sidebar Moderator
Yes, that's true. For you see, you can pretend to be a Christian and fool the undiscerning but you can't fool the Spirit. All peace, Moderator, but "new" you aren't
144 posted on 01/22/2004 9:12:08 PM PST by Markofhumanfeet (That's fair. I'm quoting some of the bible all of the time,)
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To: HairOfTheDog
lol.....I kind of wondered that myself.

Apparently you must get a doctor of divinity degree to be qualified to moderate the religion forum. Who knew! :)

The moderator has said that theology itself will not be examined by him or her and sides will not be taken. Only behavior will be moderated. I don't have a problem with that.

Now, if theology does begin to be censored, that would be a SERIOUS SERIOUS problem and I would say why now just let the religion forum go then because it would be like a prison in here instead of free debate.

However, by the clear words of the appointed moderator, that is not going to be the case; theology is not going to be censored.

145 posted on 01/22/2004 9:14:14 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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To: Dr Warmoose
will see. I doubt it will be like you think, but I guess we will find out. goodnight
146 posted on 01/22/2004 9:15:05 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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To: rwfromkansas
Would you not agree, as a Calvinist, that if Jim Rob and Free Republic made a decision to clamp down on the religion forum that God predestined and foreordained that event?
147 posted on 01/22/2004 9:16:14 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o* &AAGG)
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To: Markofhumanfeet
doubts about my sincerity or the new direction?
148 posted on 01/22/2004 9:16:23 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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To: Jim Robinson
God is always welcome. Those slamming each other over religious topics are not.

Keeping it the way it oughtta be BUMP.

149 posted on 01/22/2004 9:16:52 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: rwfromkansas
I think Warmoose found out the hard way.
150 posted on 01/22/2004 9:18:17 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o* &AAGG)
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To: Markofhumanfeet
For you see, you can pretend to be a Christian and fool the undiscerning but you can't fool the Spirit. All peace, Moderator, but "new" you aren't.

Let me make sure I understand exactly what you're saying here.

Are you saying that I'm pretending to be a Christian? And that I'm trying to fool the undiscerning? And your contention that I'm not "new" means what - that you are speaking for the Holy Spirit concerning the status of my soul?

Are you absolutely sure you want to say all that?

151 posted on 01/22/2004 9:20:36 PM PST by Sidebar Moderator (I'm keeping a log; wouldn't want to shortchange anyone on their three chances.)
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To: dsc; drstevej
lol...hey, I certainly qualify at times as an ass. Asses are not necessarily such all the time.

BTW, you all should check out this incredible free Bible program called e-sword. A friend showed it to me.....hot dang....you can get more study tools than software that cost me 150 bucks!!! You can get the Institutes, John Gill's commentary, and tons tons tons tons more.

www.e-sword.net

152 posted on 01/22/2004 9:20:57 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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To: Sidebar Moderator; Jmouse007
I will neither fawn over nor despise those in authority over the forum. They are men just as we, worthy of our due respect and gratitude, not more and not less.

Having said that, SB's observations are accurate, seen independently prior to the explicit enumerations of this thread, and one needn't hold a M. Div. degree to see that "the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness, Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies, envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God. But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith, meekness, temperance: against such there is no law" (Gal. 5:19-23 KJV, emphasis mine).

Catholics, Protestants, Calvinists, and Arminians - in short, anyone who claims the Bible as an authority - has this text before them. I for one don't see how any theological system can annul its practical outworking in those who call themselves Christians.

153 posted on 01/22/2004 9:21:24 PM PST by Lexinom
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To: rwfromkansas
Don't forget to donate if you like it. :-) Its the only way to keep it free for those who can't afford it.
154 posted on 01/22/2004 9:23:15 PM PST by P-Marlowe (LPFOKETT GAHCOEEP-w/o* &AAGG)
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To: rwfromkansas
However, by the clear words of the appointed moderator, that is not going to be the case; theology is not going to be censored.

Oh the Righteously Rude will disagree noisely with much gnashing of teeth anyway... Those that don't get banned and stay might actually learn how to have enlightened conversation worthy of the subject.

I hardly ever post on the Religion forum. I don't have the theological qualifications that the ~least~ of you have. I don't know the answer to ~any~ of the great issues argued here. I will say, though, that when I read the words of many on this forum, I can see pretty clearly that few here have it right either.

155 posted on 01/22/2004 9:25:04 PM PST by HairOfTheDog
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To: Sidebar Moderator
One day suspension.

In a similar vein to the "Viking Kitties" ZOT graphic I see elsewhere on FR, I think you need your own ZOT graphic. May I suggest a few?



156 posted on 01/22/2004 9:26:10 PM PST by Alex Murphy
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To: Markofhumanfeet
Since you replied to my post about doubts, I presume you say I am one of the "brown nosing" folks. I am somewhat offended, but will ignore it in any case.

I certainly have been a very bad offender at times, but not enough to get more than maybe 3 warnings in all my time in FR.
157 posted on 01/22/2004 9:26:17 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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To: P-Marlowe
not predestinted. Predestined=chosen to salvation.

But, it would be foreordained, yes.
159 posted on 01/22/2004 9:27:29 PM PST by rwfromkansas ("Men stumble over the truth, but most pick themselves up as if nothing had happened." Churchill)
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