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To: sirchtruth
When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and dglory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!

This is what Joseph Smith saw. At this very moment the restoration of the original gospel started. This very event laid to rest notions that God can be everywhere at once or that Jesus and the Father are one in the same physical being.

As far as Acts 20:28 goes thats referring to Christ.

143 posted on 12/25/2003 4:24:50 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
As far as Acts 20:28 goes thats referring to Christ.

You are being TOTALLY intellectually dishonest and I don't even think you realize it. The term for God used there is the SAME term used for God, The Father.

Now we can sit and debate this all you want, but when dishonesty enters the debate you can not have a dileberation...It's fine for you to use the same scriptures as I do, but you can not honestly mix and match the meanings of words when you want it to fit your context.

I suggest you get a concordance and a lexicon and start researching these words so you can have at least some idea of what's going on.

I suppose you're gonna tell me Isaiah 45:23 and Phillipians 2:9-11 that we confess to God the Father and Jesus? And if Jesus is Lord what does that make God the father? Less than Jesus, when you pointed out...

"...for my Father is greater than I." John 14:28

149 posted on 12/25/2003 4:48:43 PM PST by sirchtruth
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To: maui_hawaii
When the light rested upon me I saw two Personages, whose brightness and dglory defy all description, standing above me in the air. One of them spake unto me, calling me by name and said, pointing to the other—This is My Beloved Son. Hear Him!

Let's first get to a point using something we both agree is authentic and not some contrived drivel written by someone who claimed to be a prophet of God and yet failed at his basic prophecies...You do know a true prophet of God has to at least show his prophecies to be true?

"Hearken, O ye elders of my church, saith the Lord your God, who have assembled yourselves together, according to my commandments, in this land, which is the land of Missouri, which is the land I have appointed and consecrated for the gathering of the saints. Wherefore, this is the land of promise, and the place for the city of Zion. And thus saith the Lord your God, if you will receive wisdom here is wisdom. Behold, the place which is now called Independence is the center place; and a spot for the temple is lying westward, upon a lot which is not far from the court-house."

Doctrine and Covenants, Section 57:1-3 Revelation given through Joseph Smith the Prophet, in Zion, Jackson County, Missouri, July, 1831.

Where's that temple going up again ole Joe?

What's amazing is he had the audacity to repeat this so-called prophecy in 1832 and again in 1833!

I'm sorry three strikes, and you're out!Believe me, there are many things he said and wrote that have have never come true not even by the slightest imaginations...Now if you believe that he was a true prophet of God then you can not believe God has a standard for true prophets.

159 posted on 12/25/2003 6:31:28 PM PST by sirchtruth
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To: maui_hawaii
Using the old or new testament please sshow us where joseph smith is prophecised as the one chosen before time to come and restore the corrput church.

You have already said God chose #2 Jesus to teach the truth and you cite scripture. Well, this #2 man established His Church (Matt 16:18). So, I am sure you can point out to us where in Scripture - old or new testament - where is says the Chruch Jesus establishes will fail and another prophet will be sent and his name will be Joseph Smith.

I can show you scores of verses predicting the Advent of Jesus. Show me ONE predicting the advent of Joe Smith.

192 posted on 12/26/2003 3:08:18 AM PST by Catholicguy
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