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To: maui_hawaii
The person who gave Moses the 10 commandments was Jesus Christ. Jehovah of the old testament is the spirit of Jesus Christ before Christ was born to Mary.

Are you saying God's spirit is Jesus? Ok, does that not make Jesus, God?

Of special interest is the usage with respect to the name of God. He revealed Himself to Israel through Moses by a new name (YHWH: Yahveh, or Yehovah) - the nature of which would be shown by His manifestations on their behalf. The name of God was therefore not a mere word, but the Divine manifestation, the character of God as revealed in His relations to His people and in His dealings with them. The "name of Yahveh" was proclaimed to Moses on Mt. Sinai, "Yah, Yahveh, a God merciful and gracious, slow to anger, and abundant in lovingkindness and truth," etc.

That's not Yashua, that's YHWH...Incidentally a side bar. When Pilot had that epitaph written above Jesus..."Jesus of Narzareth King of the Jews" The acronym in the Hebrew (reading right to left) spells YHWH...Hmmm, do ya think Pilot knew what he was writting, especially when the Jews wanted him to reword it?

GENESIS 1:1 Elohim. Do you know what the word Elohim is?

108 posted on 12/25/2003 1:47:08 PM PST by sirchtruth
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To: sirchtruth
You are not really reading my posts.

Here it is:

God the Father, long before there was a Jehovah, or a Jesus, or any of us, created many spirits in heaven. The First Spirit that God 'created' was that of Jesus Christ aka Jehovah.

God the Father is Jesus/Jehovah's Father.

If you had a son, it would be you, then your son. Same thing.

God the Father then directed the spirit of Jesus (otherwise known as Jehovah) to create the world. (And later on administer to it) Before Jesus was born mortally, He was known in the old testament as Jehovah or the variations of the name whatever the spellings may be. You could say Jesus/Jehovah is the Father's helper.

Many times people refer to Jesus as THE one and only person in charge of everything. That by itself is incorrect. However to refer to Him as "God" both is and isn't correct depending on how one uses it. He IS God of the world because (under His Father's direction) He was the one one out there doing the work to create the world. He is not God in that He is not The Father.

In that sense, Jesus/Jehovah is the creator of this world and in a sense "God".

His Father though, who is a different person is really THE God. Jesus has someone higher up to answer to.

Its kind of like this: if President Bush tells his chief of staff to do something, he does it. The chief of staff has authority of the President to do whatever. The chief of staff is still the chief of staff and the President is still the President.

Its the same relationship between God the Father and Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is acting under the authority and power and direction of His Father.

Jesus Christ is God in a sense, but He is not His Father. Jesus/Jehovah is the 'chief of staff' and His Father is 'President'.

We do not pray to Jesus. We pray to His Father in the name of Jesus. Jesus is second in charge. Is that clear enough?

Jesus and His Father though are in perfect harmony.

116 posted on 12/25/2003 2:19:17 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: sirchtruth
We do not pray to Jesus. We pray to His Father in the name of Jesus.

We do this because Jesus Christ is the mediator between us and The Father.

He came down here so we have the chance to go back up there.

120 posted on 12/25/2003 2:29:16 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: sirchtruth
Elohim as far as I know is a Hebrew word for "God".

As I explained earlier, it could apply to either Christ or His Father, depending on the context.

I couldn't tell you any more than that because I don't know.

123 posted on 12/25/2003 2:38:07 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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