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To: sirchtruth
You are not really reading my posts.

Here it is:

God the Father, long before there was a Jehovah, or a Jesus, or any of us, created many spirits in heaven. The First Spirit that God 'created' was that of Jesus Christ aka Jehovah.

God the Father is Jesus/Jehovah's Father.

If you had a son, it would be you, then your son. Same thing.

God the Father then directed the spirit of Jesus (otherwise known as Jehovah) to create the world. (And later on administer to it) Before Jesus was born mortally, He was known in the old testament as Jehovah or the variations of the name whatever the spellings may be. You could say Jesus/Jehovah is the Father's helper.

Many times people refer to Jesus as THE one and only person in charge of everything. That by itself is incorrect. However to refer to Him as "God" both is and isn't correct depending on how one uses it. He IS God of the world because (under His Father's direction) He was the one one out there doing the work to create the world. He is not God in that He is not The Father.

In that sense, Jesus/Jehovah is the creator of this world and in a sense "God".

His Father though, who is a different person is really THE God. Jesus has someone higher up to answer to.

Its kind of like this: if President Bush tells his chief of staff to do something, he does it. The chief of staff has authority of the President to do whatever. The chief of staff is still the chief of staff and the President is still the President.

Its the same relationship between God the Father and Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is acting under the authority and power and direction of His Father.

Jesus Christ is God in a sense, but He is not His Father. Jesus/Jehovah is the 'chief of staff' and His Father is 'President'.

We do not pray to Jesus. We pray to His Father in the name of Jesus. Jesus is second in charge. Is that clear enough?

Jesus and His Father though are in perfect harmony.

116 posted on 12/25/2003 2:19:17 PM PST by maui_hawaii
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To: maui_hawaii
His Father though, who is a different person is really THE God. Jesus has someone higher up to answer to.

You have a huge problem. And that is Jesus claimed to be "I AM" it doesn't get any higher than that! The reference in those times was specific to the ONE God of the Jews...There is no way around it. If someone claimed to be "I AM" they claimed to be the ONE, the ONLY GOD, and there was no other. The jews didn't pick up stones to stone him because he claimed to be the "Son of God," it was because he claimed to be GOD...Go look at some Jewish history of those times.

Your theology and your historical veiw are not in sync. You just can not say Jesus was Jehova and God was someone else because it does not jive with the Jews historical context of God in the old testement. Not even the Jews would say when God spoke to Moses, "it was really the messiah." It doesn't make sense spiritually or logically as a whole when you take into account all the history.

132 posted on 12/25/2003 3:49:54 PM PST by sirchtruth
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