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(neener, neener, neener).

I'd have gotten away with it if it werent for those meddling kids

[2] You can tell whether your kids are elect or not the same way you can with anyone else. Since you can not see a new heart, you listen to their profession and look for the results of a new heart. Mine are 17 and 21 and I am confident they are elect.

I'm confident mine are as well......but what I continually return to (in my head) is the aborted unelect baby - help me (and the unwashed)understand just when a saving election occurs. From what Ive been told by some of my FR swarm friends is that I can be elect despite myself and my arminianism. Supposing that is accurate - I get the notion that there is a pre-disposition of my soul - which brings me back to the aborted unelect baby scenario - and I think this is where my brothers and sisters get hung up as well - so all huffing and puffing things calvin aside for the moment - spend a some time on an informative post and give me and the lurkers an education in election in contrast to

John 6:35 Then Jesus declared, "I am the bread of life. He who comes to me will never go hungry, and he who believes in me will never be thirsty. 36 But as I told you, you have seen me and still you do not believe. 37 All that the Father gives me will come to me, and whoever comes to me I will never drive away. 38 For I have come down from heaven not to do my will but to do the will of him who sent me. 39 And this is the will of him who sent me, that I shall lose none of all that he has given me, but raise them up at the last day. 40 For my Father's will is that everyone who looks to the Son and believes in him shall have eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day."

- It sounds arnminian until verse 39, where I get the impression God has determined election - am I reading it right? - and from this - I'm led to think the truth lies somewhere in between

[3] Servetus burgers, believe it or not, are often served with [as] red herrings.

touche'....sometimes with a side of Arminian "bashed" potatos

[4] I am bummed at the FAIR mods. My FR namesake (WM Jr) claimed that he was God's gift to me. I replied, "I asked for hemorrhoids. God works in mysterious ways." The mods applied preparation H to my post.

I missed that gem

[5] Who says Arminians and Calvinist-Lites can't get along? We show they can. Blessings to you...

agreed - as well to you my friend

***I get the notion that there is a pre-disposition of my soul - which brings me back to the aborted unelect baby scenario - and I think this is where my brothers and sisters get hung up as well ***

BTW, we have had 6 miscarriages and so the issue isn't academic in our household. As stetd before on FR, I leave the destiny of infants in God's hands. David's statement about his son who died in infancy points to an expectation that he would see his son in heaven. How to extrapolate that verse is debatable, IMO. Instead, I am resolved to lay that decision in God's "In Box" without a definitive answer.

***- It sounds arminian until verse 39, where I get the impression God has determined election - am I reading it right? - and from this - I'm led to think the truth lies somewhere in between***

GIVE-DRAW-COME/BELIEVE-RAISE UP

These are the verbs and the sequence. Pretty darn Calvinistic, I'd say. BTW, verse 37 ought to wrinkle Arminian brows as well. ALL GIVEN to Him WILL COME, not MIGHT COME or SHOULD COME.

Come over to the "Dark Side" and be enlightened.

- the Compassionate Calvinist

I'm confident mine are as well......but what I continually return to (in my head) is the aborted unelect baby - help me (and the unwashed)understand just when a saving election occurs. From what Ive been told by some of my FR swarm friends is that I can be elect despite myself and my arminianism. Supposing that is accurate - I get the notion that there is a pre-disposition of my soul - which brings me back to the aborted unelect baby scenario - and I think this is where my brothers and sisters get hung up as well - so all huffing and puffing things calvin aside for the moment - spend a some time on an informative post and give me and the lurkers an education in election in contrast to

rev we can always trust God to do right..we do not need to tell Him right from wrong . He is the standard , not us. Calvin believed all the infants that died were elect..but if yes or no..the bottom line is no one will be in hell that does not belong there

- It sounds arnminian until verse 39, where I get the impression God has determined election - am I reading it right? - and from this - I'm led to think the truth lies somewhere in between

Actually we would claim those scriptures as well as you would. The question we ask is who will come . Those that come will be saved.