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To: Jean Chauvin
The Bible makes clear that Jesus spoke in parables such that he intended for SOME not to understand.

It is your contention that it is impossible for ALL to fail to understand a simple thing like "I am the door" or "I am the vine"...

No, that is not my contention at all. I believe you are debating what you believe me to be saying, not what I am actually saying.

Of course, I realized that when you went into the "I am the door, I am the vine" routine. It is a well rehearsed attack on the real presence in the Eucharist that attempts to use a volume of rhetoric to overwhelm the target. I'm not impressed by it in anyway.

It is my contention that when Jesus spoke "This is my body," He was speaking the truth and not in a parable or metaphor. To get me to change my mind, you need only prove that He was lying.

356 posted on 12/04/2003 12:17:25 PM PST by FormerLib
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To: FormerLib
"Of course, I realized that when you went into the "I am the door, I am the vine" routine. It is a well rehearsed attack on the real presence in the Eucharist that attempts to use a volume of rhetoric to overwhelm the target. I'm not impressed by it in anyway"

No rehersal was done. I typically don't take part in this kind of discussion and I am not aware of standard arguments. If this is considered a part of a "standardized" argument against Catholic/Orthodox doctrines, then there might be some validity to it if I just simply applied Biblical ideas without studying up on any "rehearsed" argument.

"It is my contention that when Jesus spoke "This is my body," He was speaking the truth and not in a parable or metaphor. To get me to change my mind, you need only prove that He was lying."

Of course Jesus spoke the truth. He also spoke the truth in telling us that he was a "door":

John 10 7 So Jesus said to them again, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep."

Jean

359 posted on 12/04/2003 12:35:27 PM PST by Jean Chauvin (Sola Scriptura---Sola Fida---Sola Gracia---Sola Christus---Soli Deo Gloria)
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