[Jean Chauvin]

"Of course, I realized that when you went into the "I am the door, I am the vine" routine. It is a well rehearsed attack on the real presence in the Eucharist that attempts to use a volume of rhetoric to overwhelm the target. I'm not impressed by it in anyway"

No rehersal was done. I typically don't take part in this kind of discussion and I am not aware of standard arguments. If this is considered a part of a "standardized" argument against Catholic/Orthodox doctrines, then there might be some validity to it if I just simply applied Biblical ideas without studying up on any "rehearsed" argument.

"It is my contention that when Jesus spoke "This is my body," He was speaking the truth and not in a parable or metaphor. To get me to change my mind, you need only prove that He was lying."

Of course Jesus spoke the truth. He also spoke the truth in telling us that he was a "door":

John 10 7 So Jesus said to them again, "Truly, truly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep."

Jean

[MarMema]

In the end I think it is words that are the downfall for all of us. If we could share with our minds or something, no words, I bet we would all be more alike than we realized.

[FormerLib]

He also spoke the truth in telling us that he was a "door"

Figuratively, yes. We believe He was being literally true when He said "This is my body." All that you have been able to offer to refute that is that he sometimes made statement that were only figuratively true. That is not a logical argument!

[Hermann the Cherusker]

Sure Christ is "the door" in the sense that "the door" is "the way" (St. John 14.6) in to a place where you want to go, in this case being paradise.

I've got no problem with that. Christ alone is "the door" to "eternal life" (cf. St. John 6.52-59) in "the life" (St. John 14.6, cf. St. John 17.3).

The major difference is there is no Christian rite where the minister says "for I am the door", because the minister is not himself Christ and cannot be the Mediator, but there is one where he says "For this is my Body", because the Eucharist really is objectively Christ Himself after its consecration and sanctification in the Canon.