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To: mcg1969
And you're clearly a troll

I know my position, you on the otherhand are clueless:

My gosh I don't even have an informed and secure position

And you call me a troll????

But I won't bother to debate with you, because doing so would solve nothing: in the end it would leave people far more intelligent and qualified than either of us in disagreement on the issue.

BWAHHAA, speak for yourself! I've seen a lot of pride on both sides of the debate, but never pride about total ignorance.

FYI, Every Calvinist I know, both here in the virtual world and real life, was once an Arminian. (myself included) Only when they could let go of the pop-psych "I'm a good person!" mantra did they come to grips with the Doctrines of Grace. One day, when God, in the person of the Holy Spirit, lifts the scales from your eyes, you will be see what a sinner you really are, how every fiber of your being is sinful, how in your natuaral state you wanted nothing of God. Then, and only then, will you understand what we Calvinists are talking about.

it has been to challenge your attitude

What, that I am a sinner? You want to expose that I don't deserve one iota of the Grace God has given me? That I am a wretch and in my fallen state wanted nothing to do with a Holy God? I confess that every night, and you accuse me of being prideful? I thank God that he did not leave me to my precious free will!

That my friend, is what Calvinism is all about.

33 posted on 12/01/2003 12:07:08 PM PST by Gamecock
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To: Gamecock
Brother, I have no pride about my ignorance. It is not something to be proud of, but rather something for me to strive to correct. I guess that's part of what it means to work out my salvation with fear and trembling, I suppose. Pride rather is not recognizing ignorance where it exists.
34 posted on 12/01/2003 12:16:50 PM PST by mcg1969
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