Posted on 11/30/2003 5:21:17 PM PST by drstevej
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Bruce Nolan: How do you make someone love you without changing free will?
God: Welcome to my world.
Funny it is not!
Yes, indeed! I have come to the conclusion that protecting my children from this YOPIS nonsense is every bit as important as protecting them from the secularist/humanist state teachings!
I'm only aware of a single Roman Catholic Church. Perhaps you can tell me about the others?
It is a constant battle isn't it? Unfortunately it's a battle many are unprepared or unwilling to fight.
Check to see if the Headquarters are in Rome. It not, then it isn't Roman Catholic. It's very easy, you see, even for an outsider such as me. ;-)
I think the Orthodox problem with the scholastic notion of transubstantiation is at root the Orthodox problem with the admissibility of applying any binary distinction (as between 'substance' and 'accidents' or between 'real' and 'symbolic') to the Uncreated. The Holy Mysteries are first and foremost the 'normal' ways in which the Uncreated God manifests Himself in His Church. Thus, although 'substance' and 'accidents' may apply to bread and wine (if one is an Aristotelian, which, incidentally I am not for a variety of reasons, only some of which have to do with the Holy Orthodox Faith), they do not apply to Christ as truely present in His Body and Blood.
The quotation from Bishop Nikolai of Ochrid is probably due to bad translation in one direction or the other. The Confession of Peter of Moghila used the word 'transubstantiation' in connection with the action of the Holy Spirit at the eclepsis, but only received conciliar approval (at I've forgotten which council, only that it was held in what was then Moldova, though the site may be in modern Romania or modern Moldova) with an explanation which held that the word as used should not be taken as accepting the scholastic distinction between substance and accidents, but only as strongly expressing the reality of the change.
Woody, are you not subtle enough to understand the concept of wanting two or even three things at once, not just one, even though those two things might be in conflict ... a conflict that is sometimes inherently logically irreconciliable, no matter how much intellect is applied?
Because I am, and if you are, I wonder why you don't grant that God might be at least as intelligent and discerning as you are.
BEND YOU, SHAPE YOU by the Arminian Brood
You are all the Almighty I need, and "Brucie" you know it,
You can't make this beggar a king, a clown or a poet.
We've got free will full blown.
We got you knocking outside
Out in the cold,
You better mind.
Bend you, shape you
Anyway we want you,
Long as you love us, it's all right
Bend you, shape you
Anyway we want you,
We got the power to turn on the light.
Calvinists tell us we're wrong to view you so badly,
But there's a spirit driving us on, we follow it gladly.
So let them laugh we don't care,
Cause we got nothing to hide,
Almighty Bruce by our side.
Bend you, shape you
Anyway we want you,
Long as you love us, it's all right
Bend you, shape you
Anyway we want you,
We got the power to turn on the light.
Bruce Nolan: How do you make someone love you without changing free will?
God: Welcome to my world.
BUMP
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