[Gamecock]

My wife heard Warren on the radio yesterday. Quoting his book, he said something to the effect: "when the disciples made the decision to choose Christ..."

We all know that great Calvinist verse: John 15:15 "You did not choose me, but I choose you....."

That contradiction alone is enough for me to avoid this drivel.

[irishtenor]

OOH, OOh, I had ny hand up, pick me!!!

I have stayed away from this sort of pump up the numbers type of system. Earlier this year, the pastor and I attended a conference at Briarwood, in Birmingham for an "Embers to a Flame" church growth meeting. The focus was on church health instead of church growth. Quality vs. quantity. I would recommend it to you and your church. (they are PCA)

[CARepubGal]

Oh dear. "I lifted Me" would be the theme song for Warren and co. My pastor looked at the book ad it did not impress him a bit. Teaching from the scriptures is still a working model from God, not a business model.