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To: findingtruth
As individuals, maybe yes; but as a denomination, no.

By the way, doesn't the Roman Catholic church claim that our sacraments, such as the Eucharist, are valid? How could that be true in light of your diatribe?

59 posted on 10/31/2003 5:28:48 PM PST by FormerLib (The enemy is within!)
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To: FormerLib
By the way, doesn't the Roman Catholic church claim that our sacraments, such as the Eucharist, are valid?

Yes we do.

And we honor your faithfulness to tradition. Which is why (speaking of sacraments) we're so baffled and disappointed by your collapse in the face of the contraceptive culture. You don't need me to tell you that Christian marriage is a sacrament of ecclesiology -- of Christ's unreserved, kenotic, life-engendering gift of self for his bride the Church, which he joins and makes one with his body. The Orthodox compromise on contraception undermines every word of the magnificent ecclesiological insights of Christos Yannaras and John Zizioulas.

I am one who considers Paul VI's decision to issue Humanae Vitae, in the face of widespresd, entrenched, and powerful opposition, a prime example of the way "Peter speaks through Leo" (as the Fathers at Chalcedon proclaimed). All the Orthodox piety, learning, and faithfulness are no substitute for the Holy Spirit working even through flawed and inferior men.

63 posted on 10/31/2003 9:46:07 PM PST by Romulus (Nothing really good ever happened after 1789.)
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To: FormerLib
By the way, doesn't the Roman Catholic church claim that our sacraments, such as the Eucharist, are valid? How could that be true in light of your diatribe?

Diatribe? Oh well, let that pass. The validity of a priest's orders is not tied to his personal sanctity or personal orthodoxy. I am not trying to imply here that your priests lack sanctity.

A priest can be a heretic, but his orders are still valid. A priest can be in mortal sin, but his orders are still valid. I am not trying to imply here that your priests are in mortal sin.

In fact, the Catholic Church recognizes some Anglican priests as having valid orders. It is a matter of whether they have apostolic succession, not a matter of whether or not they are correct in their dogma. I am not trying to imply here that your priests are as bad as Anglican priests.

102 posted on 11/01/2003 4:38:11 PM PST by findingtruth
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