[AlguyA]

Oh but irish, I am keeping up. You miss my point.

What you have now done is move beyond the text. In pointing out the verse seperates Jesus from all, you are now offering your own interpretation. You have no scripture where Paul tells you to do this, you're doing it yourself.

And BTW, of course I agree with your interpretation of this scripture on this point.

But look at where we are, now. We both agree all doesn't always mean "all" when used in scripture.

Now I could do the normal thing here, i.e. cite all the scriptures where "all" obviously doesn't mean "all." But to what purpose? I've proved my point.

You're feeble attempt to juxtapose the Bible against the Dogma promulgated by Jesus' Church lies in tatters.

Which, BTW, is to be expected. irish, think about something for a minute. The same Church which gives us the doctrines on Mary also developed the canon. Now, do you think it logical the same people would include in scripture elements which point blank overturned the same doctrines in which they expressed belief?

[Gamecock]

***The same Church which gives us the doctrines on Mary also developed the canon.***


Ahhh, and that would be the same church that gave us indulgences and child molesting priests, right?

[irishtenor]

That same church also gave us indulgences. Your sins are forgiven if you pay enough.

[Frumanchu]

think about something for a minute. The same Church which gives us the doctrines on Mary also developed the canon.

The Church that gave us the canon may be the same intitutionally that gave us your Marian doctrines, but they are certainly not the same theologically.

BTW, what you've shown is not that Protestants read their presuppositions into Scripture, but that Catholics apparently do not even have the capacity for reading comprehension apart from Rome.

[irishtenor]

You and all of your kind have missed my point. Mary is a sinner, as is every other human being. I have asked repeatedly for any scripture that show praying to Mary, praying to the saints, praying the rosary, etc. No one has come forth with any scripture whatsoever to show that this is acceptable. None. (Hint: that's because there aren't any)