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The Catholic Goldmine ^ | Archbishop Elden F. Curtis, Archbishop of Omaha, Nebraska

[EsclavoDeCristo]

Thanks for your insight Archbishop Elden F. Curtis.

[jobim]

What a brilliant, and logical, disputation of the claptrap posted today from the National "catholic" Reporter, and its journalist-in-residence here at FR, the indefatigable Deacon Sinkspur.

Thanks for this important contribution from Archbishop Curtis!

[sinkspur]

Curtiss is entitled to his opinion.

[NeoCaveman]

" Kyrie eleison. God, our Lord, King of ages, All-powerful and Almighty, You Who made everything and Who transforms everything simply by Your will. You Who in Babylon changed into dew the flames of the "seven-times hotter" furnace and protected and saved the three holy children. You are the doctor and the physician of our souls. You are the salvation of those who turn to You. We beseech You to make powerless, banish, and drive out every diabolic power, presence and machination; every evil influence, malefice, or evil eye and all evil actions aimed against your servant. . . Where there is envy and malice, give us an abundance of goodness, endurance, victory, and charity. O Lord, You who love man, we beg You to reach out Your powerful hands and Your most high and mighty arms and come to our aid. Help us, who are made in Your image, send the angel of peace over us, to protect us body and soul. May he keep at bay and vanquish every evil power, every poison or malice invoked against us by corrupt and envious people. Then, under the protection of Your authority may we sing, in gratitude, "The Lord is my salvation; whom should I fear?" I will not fear evil because You are with me, my God, my strength, my powerful Lord, Lord of peace, Father of all ages. Yes, Lord our God, be merciful to us, Your image, and save your servant . . . from every threat or harm from the evil one, and protect him by raising him above all evil. We ask you this through the intercession of our Most Blessed, Glorious Lady, Mary ever Virgin, Mother of God, of the most splendid archangels and all yours saints. Amen."

[sinkspur]

Are you still drinking?

[NeoCaveman]

Not for the last hour. Still praying for you deacon.

[NeoCaveman]

Goodnight deacon, I'm not giving up on you, or Cardinal Mahoney, or Bishop Pilla, or even Futurechurch (shamefully dounded in my diocese of Cleveland). May the fullness of truth bring you and all of them true peace. Dominus vobiscunm

[sinkspur]

Good. Sleep it off.

[NeoCaveman]

It's OK morning prayers will be the same. I can't give up on you.

Good night.

[american colleen]

bump

[ckca]

Your opinion is trumped in spades by that of Curtiss.

If you are mocking Curtiss' opinion, you are either 1) a fool or 2) an anti-Catholic fool.

[sinkspur]

If you are mocking Curtiss' opinion, you are either 1) a fool or 2) an anti-Catholic fool.

To disagree with an opinion is to be neither anti-Catholic (since I am one) nor a fool. It is simply to disagree.

We are allowed to do that in matters of discipline.

BTW, did Curtiss ever resolve that little matter of shielding a priest who viewed pornography on a grade-school computer?

[GirlShortstop]

To disagree with an opinion is to be neither anti-Catholic (since I am one)...

That defense won't flush sinkspur... think of the Judiciary Committee.

mark for later reading

[sinkspur]

That defense won't flush sinkspur... think of the Judiciary Committee.

I thought of it, and I don't get the connection.

[GirlShortstop]

sinkspur:  To disagree with an opinion is to be neither anti-Catholic (since I am one)...

  That defense won't flush sinkspur... think of the Judiciary Committee.

sinkspur:  I thought of it, and I don't get the connection.

C'mon now, get some coffee in you... with the likes of Leahy and Kennedy who've blackballed Catholic judicial nominees, you're not seeing how claiming to be Catholic does *not* exempt one from anti-Catholic bias, if not outright bigotry?

Judicial Chambers CATHOLICS NEED NOT APPLY.

"In modern American history," he writes, "no mainstream denomination has ever been treated so consistently, so publicly, with such venom."  Today, he argues, an unholy alliance of feminists, homosexual activists, and radical secularists -- together with a fifth column of people who call themselves Catholics but who hate the church deeply.... Philip Jenkins, The New Anti-Catholicism: The Last Acceptable Prejudice

[sinkspur]

Has Ted Kennedy ever expressed himself on mandatory celibacy?

You're stretching. Stay on topic here. I am Catholic, and my disagreement with a Church discipline does not mean that I am anti-Catholic. That's all that I meant.

[Pyro7480]

Ping post #15.

[GirlShortstop]

Has Ted Kennedy ever expressed himself on mandatory celibacy?

Sinkspur, you really, really have to get ahold of that coffee!  :-)  I do not believe my post could have been clearer:  to CLAIM that being a Catholic shields one from being considered anti-Catholic is an *invalid*, repeat, *invalid* defense.

Ted Kennedy, and celibacy is *not* the point.

[Hermann the Cherusker]

How can you be "disagreeing with Church discipline" when various parts of the Church do not have this discipline?

That's like saying that because I prefer the symbolic value of unleavened bread in the Eucharist I am "disagreeing with Church discipline" for the Byzantine Rite.

[sinkspur]

How can you be "disagreeing with Church discipline" when various parts of the Church do not have this discipline?

I hadn't thought of that. I guess I'm disagreeing with the discipline of the Latin Rite.

You're smooth, Hermann. Very smooth.