Posted on 10/09/2003 3:19:15 PM PDT by 45Auto
Edited on 05/07/2004 5:21:43 PM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]
Two men received jail sentences Wednesday for illegally hunting down undocumented immigrants along the southern Arizona border with Mexico.
Human rights advocates, prosecutors and Mexican officials hailed the sentencing as a blow against border vigilantes, but the leader of a citizens border patrol group said the case has galvanized a group of people in the Yuma area to take up arms and patrol the border themselves.
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Facts in a courtroom are whatever the Judge wants to admit, based on his interpretation of the relevant laws. Or even irrelevant laws if he happens to be a judge appointed by a Democrat.
Where has anyone ever been arrested and convicted merely for guarding the border? People are rightly arrested and convicted for their violent felonies, such as shoving guns into the faces of unarmed women and children walking peacefully down a public street.
That's what you posted. Don't try to put qualifiers on it now.
Your original statement above was completely false, and you know it, so now you want to spin it.
I've made hundreds of arrests and been in court dozens of times. I know what I'm talking about.
Uh, no it isn't.
I've made hundreds of arrests
So tell us, TB: how many arrests have you made where your word is taken as gospel, not attacked by a defense attorney, your suspicion is unassailable, or your warrant was assumed not to have defects?
and been in court dozens of times
Great. Then you should have all sorts of stories about how your evidence was excluded, or the defense attorney tried to distort it, or attack your credibility. If not, then all those Conservative activists trying to change the Exclusionary rule are just blowin' smoke, right?
By the way, since this is an illegal immigration thread, how many arrests have you made of illegal aliens? And on what basis would you make such an arrest? Tell us the evidence that you would use to establish probable cause, and how to make such an arrest. In your jurisdiction, of course.
"Nothing is established as a "fact" in any arrest."
Yes, that is false, and if you can't see that, then you are not qualified to argue the law or rules of evidence.
By the way, since this is an illegal immigration thread, how many arrests have you made of illegal aliens?
Hundreds.
What kind of women would endanger children by bringing them through the desert, putting childrens' lives into the hands of smugglers? These are child abusers. Sure they want their food stamps and welfare checks, free school lunch and Medicaid but they're knowingly and selfishly putting children in danger.
I claim this as a fact. So...dispute it, and prove my assertion is not a fact.
Additionally, prove that your famous statement about Jim Robinson being in the pocket of the RNC is a fact. If you can't, then perhaps your assertions you make under oath are subject to impeachment.
As far as the "rules of evidence", well, I suspect you are referring to the Federal Rules of Evidence in your case, shown here: FRE
Perhaps you could show me in this document where a Customs Inspector's assertion is always considered an admissable, indisputable fact. I'd love to see it. We could reopen Mr. Simpson's trial on Mark Fuhrman's testimony alone if such is true, MI.
then you are not qualified to argue the law or rules of evidence
And you are? Perhaps you could tell us all about your superior understanding of the laws, your time at ASU's Law School (it's close to you, so I'm assuming that's where you would have gone), your achievements in Moot Court, all that. Or, tell us how wonderful your DOJ training was, and how you emerged from it a wondrous and knowledgeable creature, free from the constraints of having to prove your assertions in a courtroom.
Th vast majority of AMERICAN CITIZENS do not want this because they have a realistic view of the world.
What we want is illegals deported and legal immigration reduced to 200,000 to 300,000 people a year. Go to the F.A.I.R. website and spend some time there.
Tribal justice is not American justice, nor is it a conservative principle ...
"One of your people did something terrible to one of our people,
and therefore you are all guilty."
So are the 10 million jay-walkers, but we don't shove guns in their faces.
Everything which Hitler ever did was perfectly legal according to the then-German Constitution.
If a U.S. citizen jaywalks, give him a ticket. If an illegal alien is found, deport them. Fair enough?
Nowhere in this thread did I support putting a gun to anyones face so complain to someone else.
Everything which Hitler ever did was perfectly legal according to the then-German Constitution.
Are you comparing our government and immigration laws to Nazi Germany?
And the relevance of that statement is...what, Mack?
Is that your idea of a clever observation, or a veiled threat, you Twisted Freak?
Perhaps you could define what a "loaded allegation" is, and its direct relationship to jail landings.
Imminently fair, but you'd better not yourself try to accost and illegally detain anyone for jay-walking, or parking illegally in a handicapped space, or go shoving guns into the faces of unarmed women and children walking down a public street, unless you want to be tried for a felony.
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