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1 posted on 10/08/2003 11:20:06 AM PDT by GeneralHavoc
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To: GeneralHavoc
Can you believe how desperte Specter is getting?

www.pattoomey.org

Always a good time ;)
2 posted on 10/08/2003 11:20:48 AM PDT by GeneralHavoc
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To: Mia T
Specter's office taking their cues from you might I ask? Gee what a surprise to read!
6 posted on 10/08/2003 11:24:37 AM PDT by KantianBurke (Don't Tread on Me)
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To: GeneralHavoc
Specter aide: Toomey’s campaign may hurt Bush

Nope .. I like Bush .. and I can't stand Arlen Spector

See .. we conservatives are smart enough to seperate the two

8 posted on 10/08/2003 11:26:18 AM PDT by Mo1 (http://www.favewavs.com/wavs/cartoons/spdemocrats.wav)
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To: GeneralHavoc
Apparently, Specter's office is paying attention. That is the exact same argument that Arnold's crew used regarding McClintock (voting for the conservative underdog will not help Bush in 2004)... and they won. The only difference is that Specter is the incumbent, where in CA neither was (although Arnold was a clear favorite).
10 posted on 10/08/2003 11:30:02 AM PDT by Teacher317
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To: GeneralHavoc
the challenger (Toomey) is in line with Bush on issues such as “tax cuts, the sanctity of life and reining in spending.”

I guess I missed the part where GWB has "reigned in" spending

14 posted on 10/08/2003 11:44:12 AM PDT by eeman
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To: GeneralHavoc
Specter aide: Toomey’s campaign may hurt Bush

Like Specter being our senator helped Bush in 2000? PA went to Gore...

15 posted on 10/08/2003 11:46:58 AM PDT by Shethink13
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To: GeneralHavoc
He added that the primary could hurt Republicans in this year’s local elections, give a Democrat a better chance to win the Senate seat next year, and also have negative results in the 2004 presidential election.

That argument makes no sense at all. In 2000, Bush lost PA to Gore by a few percent while Rick Santorum, who is more conservative than Pat Toomey, beat the living snot out of the Liberal Dem challenger. People in PA did not connect with Bush in 2000. They will in 2004.

19 posted on 10/08/2003 12:01:21 PM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: GeneralHavoc
The White House and Sen. Rick Santorum have ENDORSED Specter. In addition, the four GOP Senate leaders under whom Specter has served, including Bill Frist, said in a letter this summer that he is “a team player and one of the best senators in promoting Republican values and policies.”

These "endorsements" are annoying.

26 posted on 10/08/2003 2:05:13 PM PDT by Dr. Scarpetta
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To: GeneralHavoc
We got to get Spector out of there so take the chance, go after him.
27 posted on 10/08/2003 2:09:48 PM PDT by gulfcoast6
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To: GeneralHavoc
Toomey bump!!
28 posted on 10/08/2003 3:39:25 PM PDT by fiftymegaton
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To: GeneralHavoc
a negative effect on President Bush’s chances to carry Pennsylvania, a Specter aide said.

How so?

“The dirtier Toomey gets … the greater a chance Democrats have in Pennsylvania,”

The dirtier Specter gets, the better chance the dems have as well.

Specter spokesman Bill Reynolds said. He added that the primary could hurt Republicans in this year’s local elections,

Bill, that doesn't make sense to me, and local elections are the types I know best. Coattails sometimes work if you got a Reagan type, but they certainly don't work on the Senate level. Carl Lenin didn't do anything for the dims here in the last race.

give a Democrat a better chance to win the Senate seat next year, and also have negative results in the 2004 presidential election.

I concede on the Senate seat, but the president's seat will be a battle no matter what. The ONLY other election that has any major effects on presidential races are ballot proposals. The presidency can affect the senate race, but usually it does not work the other way.

Both agreed initially, but Specter’s campaign is running ads again, saying a group connected to Toomey continued running ads. Toomey’s camp disputed that the lawmaker was involved in the ads, stating that there was little he could do to stop them.

Issue advocacy likely. Candidates usually don't go openly negative until the very end. Issue groups do that instead, and the candidates go 'nothing I can do'. Oldest trick in the book.

Toomey frequently calls Specter liberal and points to his own conservative record. However, Specter, who has crossed party lines especially with regard to pro-union votes, can point to endorsements from conservative and powerful Republicans.

It's because incumbents are almost always endorsed. Endorsements from a politician are a copout 90% of the time. The only endorsements that REALLY matter are interest groups like the unions, Right to Life, Planned Parenthood, NRA, Farm Bureau, the police, and the Chamber of Commerce.

However, his push to win support among state lawmakers resulted in controversy when several Pennsylvania Republicans asked Toomey to remove their names from a list of GOP legislators supporting the challenger.

Internal politics.

In response, the Toomey campaign sent a letter to state lawmakers, apologizing to the GOP delegation and state Rep. Thomas Killion (R) for mistakenly adding him to the list of the challenger’s supporters. The campaign source said that despite the mix-up Toomey is “not losing steam” and keeps picking up the endorsements of “like-minded Republicans.”

Can Toomey get the grass roots? That's the big question. If Right to Life and NRA join on his campaign, I think he has a shot. If either or both stay out, Specter will likely win again.

The Toomey campaign source said that including Killion was “a mix-up on the part of a staffer” and an “honest mistake.”

Riiiight.

In addition, the source said that three state lawmakers who asked to be removed from the list of Toomey endorsers had signed a document that explicitly said that their names could be used by the campaign.

Pressure from the top, probably. Especially with the golden rule on incumbents.

English said one-third of the money Toomey has raised was left over from the previous election, adding that many Republicans “do not think it is fair or reasonable” to spend money intended for a House race against a Democrat on a campaign to unseat an incumbent.

While I disagree with who English is backing, I can understand this stance.

Toomey’s campaign said it is odd that nobody talks about the $2.6 million Specter had left over from defeating a Democratic challenger in 1998.

Again, the golden rule on incumbancy.

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While I'd vote for Toomey, my money is on Specter since he is the incumbent, but Toomey has a shot, especially if Right to Life jumps in this race.

33 posted on 10/08/2003 7:52:39 PM PDT by Dan from Michigan (Politicians that can not trust citizens with a firearm are not trustworthy to have power.)
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To: GeneralHavoc
"“The dirtier Toomey gets … the greater a chance Democrats have in Pennsylvania,” Specter spokesman Bill Reynolds said. He added that the primary could hurt Republicans in this year’s local elections, give a Democrat a better chance to win the Senate seat next year, and also have negative results in the 2004 presidential election. "

Like Arlen hasn't hurt Republicans by voting like a rat half the time. Senate races don't effect Presidential races, other way around if at all.
34 posted on 10/09/2003 6:36:12 AM PDT by Impy (Don't you fall into the trap, democrats are full of crap.)
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To: GeneralHavoc
Spoken like people who are truly scared for their jobs.
38 posted on 04/22/2004 1:28:02 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: GeneralHavoc
If Dubya wins Pa. whoever is the GOP senate nominee is going to be elected.

OTOH, if Dubya loses Pa. -- as he did in '00 -- nobody is going to split his ticket for Specter as they did for Santorum.

People will do that for Toomey.

Toomey is the better choice for those concerned with getting a GOP senator elected this Nov.

39 posted on 04/22/2004 1:30:37 PM PDT by Tribune7 (Vote Toomey -- appeasement doesn't work)
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To: JenB; Owl_Eagle; Tamsey; Dales
Specter aide: Toomey’s campaign may hurt Bush

BibChr: MacSpectre's senatorship DOES hurt Bush

...among others.

Dan

40 posted on 04/22/2004 1:42:17 PM PDT by BibChr ("...behold, they have rejected the word of the LORD, so what wisdom is in them?" [Jer. 8:9])
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