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1 posted on 10/08/2003 8:20:26 AM PDT by presidio9
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SPOTREP
2 posted on 10/08/2003 8:46:45 AM PDT by LiteKeeper
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Aww man! Enough of the fundraiser posts!!!
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3 posted on 10/08/2003 8:48:07 AM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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Nuance, nuance. One can defend western civilization without defending Christopher Columbus' treatment of the Arawak Indians. I've yet to run across a challenge to this history:

In 1492, as any schoolchild knows, Columbus sailed from Spain with three small ships, searching for a new sea route to the rich countries of India and China. He didn’t find India, but he did stumble upon the Americas. On October 12, his flagship, the Santa Maria, ran aground on a reef just off the coast of the island of Hispaniola. The local chief of the Arawaks, the native inhabitants, rescued Columbus's crew and welcomed them warmly, in accordance with their customs.

The Spanish sailors did not share the Arawak custom of sharing and peaceable coexistence. They spied the tiny gold ornaments the Arawaks were sporting and decided that the region was swimming in riches. Columbus also noticed that the locals had no weapons capable of resisting Spanish rule. As historian Howard Zinn documents in “A People’s History of the United States” (Harper & Row, 1980), Columbus wrote in his journal, "They have no iron. Their spears are made of cane .... With fifty men we could subjugate them all and make them do whatever we want."

After King Ferdinand granted him governorship of the region, Columbus and his men captured Arawaks by the thousands, forcing them to procure gold. Those who could not produce the required amounts had their hands cut off and were left to bleed to death. Columbus forced the men to work in Spanish gold mines and the women to grow food. Natives who resisted the new rulers were hunted down with dogs and burned alive or hanged.

Soon the Arawaks, their spirits broken, their bodies starved and racked with the diseases brought by the invaders, began ending their own lives to escape the horror. Starving mothers, lacking the milk to nourish their infants, drowned them to prevent a slower death. The killings for sport and punishment, the deaths from disease and malnutrition and the suicides contributed to a rapid decline in the population. Bartolomeo de las Casas, a young priest who assisted Columbus in the conquest of Cuba, writes in his book “History of the Indies” (reprinted by Harper & Row, 1971) that "from 1494 to 1508, over three million people had perished from war, slavery, and the mines. Who in future generations will believe this? I myself writing it as a knowledgeable eyewitness can hardly believe it."

http://www.progressive.org/mpkrol1098.htm

The article doesn't address the main demerit of Columbus, in my mind - his genocide of the Arawak Indians. He didn't have to do that to map the New World.

The article doesn't debunk these charges against Columbus, it appears to avoid them. To quote Rand: "blankout".

5 posted on 10/08/2003 9:02:50 AM PDT by secretagent
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The name is Christofero Columbo.
12 posted on 10/08/2003 9:24:22 AM PDT by ffusco (Maecilius Fuscus,Governor of Longovicium , Manchester, England. 238-244 AD)
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Columbus was the father of multi-culturalism. Europeans, Africans and Indians never lived together until he discovered America. European culture may be pre-dominant in America, but because of our ethnic mix, American culture and European culture are not the same. And I don't think anyone here wants them to be. (Think about rock and roll. Where else but America could you invent a musical form that combines Scotch-Irish melody with African rhythm?)
13 posted on 10/08/2003 9:28:34 AM PDT by TedsGarage
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Last night on KSFO, Brian Sussman played a tape of the message you get when you call the DMV.

In English it says "The DMV will be closed Monday, Oct 13, for Columbus Day" then it goes on in Espanol with "...will be closed Monday, Oct 13 por Dia de la Raza". (for the 'Day of the Race').

Nothing racist here.

14 posted on 10/08/2003 9:31:41 AM PDT by pbear8 ( sed libera nos a malo)
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Christopher Columbus was a Christian. That's now out of favor to multi-culturists, femininnies, and liberals.
15 posted on 10/08/2003 9:34:42 AM PDT by JethroHathAWay
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We must recognize that everyone is a sovereign entity

What world does the author live in?

Thus the sham of "preserving one's heritage" as a rational life goal....
....That is the ultimate value of Western civilization, and it should be proudly proclaimed.

The author does everything he says the Indians should not in this article. They should not be proud of their ancestors but he is, they should not vilify Columbus yet he vilifies Indians, they should not have a racist view yet he clearly does. The man is a hypocrite.

18 posted on 10/08/2003 9:39:04 AM PDT by Between the Lines ("What Goes Into the Mind Comes Out in a Life")
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ping
21 posted on 10/08/2003 9:48:13 AM PDT by gubamyster
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"Did Columbus "discover" America? Yes..."

NO, LEIF ERIKSON DID!!!

arrrrh, ;-) NordP!

42 posted on 10/09/2003 7:53:35 AM PDT by NordP (Arnold is the "airplane spoon" to help the Dems eat RIGHT!)
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The Ayn Rand Institute seems to like to recycle articles. The same one was posted in October 2002.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/769681/posts
47 posted on 10/09/2003 1:35:36 PM PDT by RJCogburn ("I want a man with grit."..................Mattie Ross of near Dardenelle in Yell County)
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bttt
52 posted on 10/14/2003 2:55:08 PM PDT by Tailgunner Joe
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