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Cyber Cafes Targeted
New York Sun ^ | Oct. 6, 2003 | R. H. Sager

Posted on 10/06/2003 3:52:28 PM PDT by firebrand

A major city may soon require Internet cafes to be licensed, keep a log of and videotape their customers, and curtail their business hours.

It may sound like Beijing, where a fire at an Internet cafe last summer was used as a pretext for the Communists to crack down on political activity. But it's actually New York, where local and state legislators are tripping over each other to look like heroes following a handful of violent incidents tenuously connected to the virtual venues.

In the aftermath of a handful of gang-related fights, one of which occurred near a Brooklyn establishment with the parent-panicking name "Cyber Sniper Cafe, state Senator Martin Golden [a Republican] proposed regulations for Internet cafes. City Council Member Eric Gioia, a Queens Democrat, and Speaker Gifford Miller are also piling on.

No one from the council could tell me how many Internet cafes there are in New York City; the cafes don't need a special license from the city yet, there's no citywide or national trade association, and the yellow pages don't offer a comprehensive listing. But bills have been introduced and a hearing is set for Thursday.

Before Golden, Miller, Gioia & Co. make any sudden moves, the politicians might make sure they have a firm grasp of the issue. Listening to the crotchety-sounding Mr. Golden, who last week derided the "Internet craze" that "continues to grow," it's hard to believe that they do.

In a down economy, Internet cafes seem to be one of the only types of business proliferating in the outer boroughs. While stand-alone cafes have had little success in Manhattan, where fast computers and faster Internet access can be found in most apartments and offices, Brooklyn and Queens seem to be home to an Internet cafe boom.

The shops, with bays of Internet-enabled computers rented out for a few bucks an hour, tend to be patronized by teens playing video games and chatting via computer well into the night.

"Internet cafes can provide a valuable service to a neighborhood, but in some cases they become an attractive nuisance, acting like a magnet to attract graffiti, teen violence, and truancy," Mr. Gioia said last week.

It's hard to see how places where teens come inside and sit at computers for hours can be all that evil. Are gang beatings absent from the parts of Brooklyn and Queens without Internet cafes? Isn't it better to have these children off the street and indoors, where there is a least a modicum of supervision making it harder to buy drugs, get in fights, and menace pedestrians?

The complaint that some children may be cutting class to play computer games in these cafes may be a valid one. But it seems the city could do more to work with the cafe owners to reach a voluntary agreement not to allow minors inside during school hours before resorting to regulation.

The regulations being proposed threaten to deny valuable services to the communities that need them most. Mr. Golden's proposal calls for fining $1,000 and then sutting down cafes where disorderly conduct occurs.

The prospect that a couple of teens getting into a fight could close down one's business may well be enough to keep entrepreneurs from opening up cafes in poorer neighborhoods, where the fewest families have their own computers.

Another problem is how to clamp a static regulation onto the dynamic Internet cafe market. Mr. Gioia's bill defines an Internet cafe as: "any commercial establishment that provides access to computers to the public through which said public may connect with the Internet or World Wide Web."

The trend in the Internet cafe business, however, is away from freestanding cafes to cafes embedded in existing businesses.

One franchise, easyInternetcafe--the flagship Times Square branch of which has hemorrhaged money as a stand-alone business--is expanding by opening outlets in restaurants such as Ranch 1, near Rockefeller Plaza, and 101 City Food Cafe, near Grand Central. It hopes to open 50 more locations in the New York metro area this year, in venues such as fast-food chains and grocery stores. Might these establishments find themselves touched by new Internet cafe laws?

Until the council and the state Legislature attain a basic understanding of the Internet cafe business, they have no place regulating it. In the meantime, the owners of Internet cafes ought to wake up to the fact that they are not being represented in the current debate and form a trade association.

It's a sad day for an industry when the politicians notice it---that's the day the industry needs to pay the hidden tax of learning to lobby. It's the homage innovation pays to vice, at least here in Gotham.

rhsager@nysun.com


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: busybodies; cafes; citycouncil; cybercafes; internet; internetcafe; legislature; newyorkcity; nyc; regulation; toomuchtime
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To: firebrand
Griffin and Gioia I'd expect this from, but what's Golden been drinking lately? I have a suggestion for these geniuses: Why stop at internet cafes? Why not station the police at every business and residence in the city to assure that no customer or visiter EVER gets out of line?
21 posted on 10/06/2003 7:30:35 PM PDT by Tabi Katz
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To: adam_az
I guess the author never heard of the other type of business flourishing in the outer boroughs, prostitution?

Yep, prostitution, 99 Cent stores and nail salons seem to have become the main private employers within Brooklyn and Queens.

22 posted on 10/07/2003 6:54:42 AM PDT by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: weegee; firebrand
Marty is VERY pro-life and is generally good on public safety related issues and taxes. Keep in mind, however, that his main consituents are elderly Irish and Italians who can't set the clock on their microwave correctly, let alone understand what the internet is. The "new" ethnic groups in the area generally own and patronize these cafes and they don't vote.
23 posted on 10/07/2003 6:58:01 AM PDT by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: Clemenza
Don't forget rip-off grey market electronics mail-order. :)
24 posted on 10/07/2003 6:58:30 AM PDT by adam_az
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To: firebrand
"The complaint that some children may be cutting class to play computer games in these cafes may be a valid one."

CLOSE THESE CAFES, ITS FOR THE CHILDREN!
25 posted on 10/07/2003 7:05:19 AM PDT by Rebelbase
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To: firebrand
I don`t care what they do, but as far as I`m concerned this city council can go straight to hell following their fantastic 'support' of the Iraq invasion. Hey it was only about three guys with Iraqi passports who first came into this city and blew up the WTC the first time, then these mutts finally bring it down on 911 killing 3k people and this city council has the GALL to pass this demented resolution. And by the way, why is the city coucil just about made up of 95% minorities? I saw a group picture of this council and Gifford Miller was the only white guy in the whole thing. Is this "affirmative action" at work here? Is everyone in the city black and hispanic? Last time I checked it wasn`t.

Wednesday, March 12, 2003 (AP) New York City Council Approves Resolution Opposing Iraq War The City Council in the place hit hardest by the Sept. 11 attacks approved a resolution Wednesday opposing war with Iraq except as a last resort. The 31-17 vote came after months of debate over whether New York should stake out a position. "If we're going to be looking for a fight, let's fight poverty, let's fight firehouse closures, let's fight racism and sexism," said Yvette Clarke, a Democrat who supported the resolution. Democrat Alan Jennings said that after losing one of his closest friends in the World Trade Center attack, he was in no mood to vote for an anti-war measure. "Our troops are in the Middle East at this time to fight for our democracy," Jennings said. "I think this resolution sends the wrong message to our men and women in uniform." The resolution backed war only if "other options for achieving compliance with United Nations resolutions calling for the elimination of weapons of mass destruction and the means of their development have failed." Last month, 100,000 to 350,000 people took part in an anti-war protest near the United Nations. Recent polls show that 75 percent of New Yorkers oppose a war without the support of the United Nations. Since September, anti-war resolutions have been approved in such cities as Los Angeles; Kalamazoo, Mich.; Chicago; Portland, Maine; and Milwaukee. © 2003 The Associated Press

26 posted on 10/11/2003 10:33:20 PM PDT by metalboy (Liberals-Nuke `em from orbit. It`s the only way to be sure.)
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To: metalboy
I don`t know if anyone from NYC is going to read that post of mine, but this city council drives me up the freggin` wall like you can`t imagine! The latest example being the council member Davis who was shot after leading his shooter friend around the metal detector. So now the Davis family s suing the city which is another way of saying; "Because city council member Davis insisted on breaking the rules, YOU the taxpayer will pay for that." My big middle finger to all these clowns, and if you`ve ever voted in Queens, the rules go right out the window on election day. Democrat ads all over the polling stations. Democrat shills handing out posters and other crap 5 feet from the entrance which is ILLEGAL! I knew 5 people who were killed on 911 PLUS one who was injured in the first WTC attack, and this is the type of council members you get; "If we're going to be looking for a fight, let's fight poverty, let's fight firehouse closures, let's fight racism and sexism," said Yvette Clarke, a Democrat who supported the resolution. Listen Yvette you stump ass stupid bim, what the hell is ANY of that gonna matter if everyone is DEAD! That`s D-E-A-D! Get it?
27 posted on 10/12/2003 3:48:41 AM PDT by metalboy (Liberals-Nuke `em from orbit. It`s the only way to be sure.)
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To: metalboy
I agree totally. They are a complete bunch of clowns and are wasting our money by their very existence. Freepers booed them as they had the gall to march by in the St. Patrick's Day parade after passing that resolution.
28 posted on 10/12/2003 10:13:42 AM PDT by firebrand
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