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Cyber Cafes Targeted
New York Sun ^ | Oct. 6, 2003 | R. H. Sager

Posted on 10/06/2003 3:52:28 PM PDT by firebrand

A major city may soon require Internet cafes to be licensed, keep a log of and videotape their customers, and curtail their business hours.

It may sound like Beijing, where a fire at an Internet cafe last summer was used as a pretext for the Communists to crack down on political activity. But it's actually New York, where local and state legislators are tripping over each other to look like heroes following a handful of violent incidents tenuously connected to the virtual venues.

In the aftermath of a handful of gang-related fights, one of which occurred near a Brooklyn establishment with the parent-panicking name "Cyber Sniper Cafe, state Senator Martin Golden [a Republican] proposed regulations for Internet cafes. City Council Member Eric Gioia, a Queens Democrat, and Speaker Gifford Miller are also piling on.

No one from the council could tell me how many Internet cafes there are in New York City; the cafes don't need a special license from the city yet, there's no citywide or national trade association, and the yellow pages don't offer a comprehensive listing. But bills have been introduced and a hearing is set for Thursday.

Before Golden, Miller, Gioia & Co. make any sudden moves, the politicians might make sure they have a firm grasp of the issue. Listening to the crotchety-sounding Mr. Golden, who last week derided the "Internet craze" that "continues to grow," it's hard to believe that they do.

In a down economy, Internet cafes seem to be one of the only types of business proliferating in the outer boroughs. While stand-alone cafes have had little success in Manhattan, where fast computers and faster Internet access can be found in most apartments and offices, Brooklyn and Queens seem to be home to an Internet cafe boom.

The shops, with bays of Internet-enabled computers rented out for a few bucks an hour, tend to be patronized by teens playing video games and chatting via computer well into the night.

"Internet cafes can provide a valuable service to a neighborhood, but in some cases they become an attractive nuisance, acting like a magnet to attract graffiti, teen violence, and truancy," Mr. Gioia said last week.

It's hard to see how places where teens come inside and sit at computers for hours can be all that evil. Are gang beatings absent from the parts of Brooklyn and Queens without Internet cafes? Isn't it better to have these children off the street and indoors, where there is a least a modicum of supervision making it harder to buy drugs, get in fights, and menace pedestrians?

The complaint that some children may be cutting class to play computer games in these cafes may be a valid one. But it seems the city could do more to work with the cafe owners to reach a voluntary agreement not to allow minors inside during school hours before resorting to regulation.

The regulations being proposed threaten to deny valuable services to the communities that need them most. Mr. Golden's proposal calls for fining $1,000 and then sutting down cafes where disorderly conduct occurs.

The prospect that a couple of teens getting into a fight could close down one's business may well be enough to keep entrepreneurs from opening up cafes in poorer neighborhoods, where the fewest families have their own computers.

Another problem is how to clamp a static regulation onto the dynamic Internet cafe market. Mr. Gioia's bill defines an Internet cafe as: "any commercial establishment that provides access to computers to the public through which said public may connect with the Internet or World Wide Web."

The trend in the Internet cafe business, however, is away from freestanding cafes to cafes embedded in existing businesses.

One franchise, easyInternetcafe--the flagship Times Square branch of which has hemorrhaged money as a stand-alone business--is expanding by opening outlets in restaurants such as Ranch 1, near Rockefeller Plaza, and 101 City Food Cafe, near Grand Central. It hopes to open 50 more locations in the New York metro area this year, in venues such as fast-food chains and grocery stores. Might these establishments find themselves touched by new Internet cafe laws?

Until the council and the state Legislature attain a basic understanding of the Internet cafe business, they have no place regulating it. In the meantime, the owners of Internet cafes ought to wake up to the fact that they are not being represented in the current debate and form a trade association.

It's a sad day for an industry when the politicians notice it---that's the day the industry needs to pay the hidden tax of learning to lobby. It's the homage innovation pays to vice, at least here in Gotham.

rhsager@nysun.com


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Government; US: New York
KEYWORDS: busybodies; cafes; citycouncil; cybercafes; internet; internetcafe; legislature; newyorkcity; nyc; regulation; toomuchtime
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1 posted on 10/06/2003 3:52:29 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand
The wave of the future, so it's time to regulate it and probably tax it.
2 posted on 10/06/2003 3:53:52 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: All
Hi mom!
3 posted on 10/06/2003 3:55:40 PM PDT by Support Free Republic (Your support keeps Free Republic going strong!)
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To: Clemenza; Cacique; kristinn; diotima
Politicians using the "not in my backyard" ploy to get attention before the election. And a burgeoning business might get halted in its tracks. Too bad.
4 posted on 10/06/2003 3:56:45 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: hellinahandcart; LaserLock; NYC GOP Chick
When I first started coming to this cafe, it was empty, and the hours were shorter than they are now. In a year and a half it has started to thrive. I would hate to see these hardworking people get crippled by our low-IQ, self-serving City Council.
5 posted on 10/06/2003 4:00:50 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand
I smell a pricy new "permit" on its way.
6 posted on 10/06/2003 4:01:52 PM PDT by Husker24
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To: Tabi Katz; NYCGOPMAN
Our City Council and State Legislature at work--for our good, of course.
7 posted on 10/06/2003 4:02:18 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand; Cacique
This happens to hit very close to home for me, as Marty Golden is my State Senator and this cafe is right near my local movie theatre. The cafe in question tends to attract a mix of Chinese and Puerto Rican kids, who often get into fights over computer space to play their idiotic video games. Even worse is these little punks have the gall to loiter on the stoops of neighboring houses, many of which are occupied by the elderly.

I am opposed to many of these proposals, but suggest a few ideas of my own: 1. Send officers to these cafes throughout the day to enforce truancy laws, 2. Immediately arrest the juveniles in question for loitering and 3. Warn the cafe owners to keep their "clients" in line and ticket them for not cracking down on unruly patrons.

I also wish the cafe owners would create "quiet zones" in the cafe for adults. I had to leave another cafe close to my apartment do to a gang of obnoxious, foul mouthed Arab kids who took it over to play games and mouth off at eachother.

8 posted on 10/06/2003 4:15:44 PM PDT by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: firebrand
On the other hand shutting them down and licensing them is nearly as totalitarian as the smoking ban. I have a feeling that Marty is getting tough on these places as the elderly are the largest voting block here, while the owners of the cafe are Chinese immigrants with little political interest.
9 posted on 10/06/2003 4:20:44 PM PDT by Clemenza (East side, West side, all around the town. Tripping the light fantastic on the sidewalks of New York)
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To: Clemenza
Marty received state Republican money for his campaign last fall, and this is how he repays business owners.

I don't like the cafe in Times Square. The sign saying NO GANG BANDANNAS was enough to put me off. But my secret cafe is very nice. A few arguments over games sometimes--once or twice when I was here.

10 posted on 10/06/2003 4:21:56 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand
In a down economy, Internet cafes seem to be one of the only types of business proliferating in the outer boroughs.

I guess the author never heard of the other type of business flourishing in the outer boroughs, prostitution?
11 posted on 10/06/2003 4:33:11 PM PDT by adam_az
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To: firebrand
Yeah, kids going into use the computers is dangerous. Let's get them back out on the street!
12 posted on 10/06/2003 4:37:59 PM PDT by jd777
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To: firebrand
If it moves-- tax it.
If it is still moving-- regulate it.
If it stops moving-- subsidize it.
13 posted on 10/06/2003 4:38:10 PM PDT by Plutarch
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To: firebrand
...defines an Internet cafe as: "any commercial establishment that provides access to computers to the public through which said public may connect with the Internet or World Wide Web."

So libraries would be exempted from the reach of government (the ALA will be glad to hear this) but coffee shops and waiting rooms will be regulated. Non-profit arts organizations that sell beer and wine would be permitted to run unsupervised cyber cafes though.

There are a lot of RINOs in NY with that (R) by their names. How do I know this guy is a conservative?

14 posted on 10/06/2003 5:06:30 PM PDT by weegee
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To: Husker24
The power to tax is the power to destroy.
15 posted on 10/06/2003 5:08:44 PM PDT by weegee
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To: weegee
Mr. Golden, who last week derided the "Internet craze" that "continues to grow,"

He's no geek, that's for sure.

16 posted on 10/06/2003 5:10:19 PM PDT by firebrand
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To: firebrand
This business is the hottest thing going right now.

Sucessful places can gross $5,000 a week, its no wonder that greedy NYC bloodsucker rat politicains are eager to license and collect their cut.

17 posted on 10/06/2003 5:11:44 PM PDT by Rome2000 (McCarthy was right!)
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To: firebrand
He obviously doesn't know FReepers or else he would realize that not everyone on the internet poses a threat or is just goofing off.
18 posted on 10/06/2003 5:22:05 PM PDT by weegee
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To: Rome2000
Just like in my local city when they tried to 'franchise' local trash hauling. What they were suggesting would put many local haulers out of business (In my town, the citizens can choose their own trash company). They said that franchising would solve alot of problems like illegal dumping, lower rates, more service and alot of other things. In fact, the opposite was true. The whole point of franchising was REVENUE GENERATION, the creation of a FRANCHISE FEE and the intrusion of government on a competitive marketplace that has and continues to serve our city very well for many years. Needless to say, franchising was defeated in our city, but the issue rears it's ugly head every 4 or 5 years. (Usually after most current Council members have used up their terms and then the new faces start to explore the issue again.) I see this proposal for Internet Cafes the same way. UNWANTED GOVERNMENT.
19 posted on 10/06/2003 7:10:59 PM PDT by lmr (When will these liberals just STFU?)
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To: firebrand
Internet cafes are thriving BIG time in Mexico. The reason? Because they have zero regulation !!

Hello Amerika !!


20 posted on 10/06/2003 7:14:35 PM PDT by unixfox (Close the borders, problems solved!)
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