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INS Deported bin Laden Brother-in-Law Just Days After OKC Bombing
whoisjohndoe2.com ^ | 10/06/03 | J.M. Berger

Posted on 10/06/2003 2:37:10 PM PDT by JohnBerger

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To: risk
"I do believe in a God, yes. But that's as far as I want to discuss. If I get too detailed on some things that are personal like that..."

This was my first hint. I found this comment after 9/11 and I haven't stopped thinking about what it means.

For what it's worth, I haven't seen anything that convinces me that McVeigh or Nichols were particularly interested in Islam, or any other religion per se. I think this was more a marriage of convenience than a marriage of passion.

However, I haven't seen anything that would especially rule it out either. It just seems like an extraordinary claim that would probably require some extraordinary corroborating evidence.

jmb

61 posted on 10/07/2003 4:26:10 AM PDT by JohnBerger (http://www.whoisjohndoe2.com)
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To: aristeides
The Islamist terrorists certainly seem to have enjoyed what amounted to presidential protection after OKC.

And the failure of the attempts to overthrow Saddam in 1995-96 raise the question of whether Saddam was also enjoying protection.

62 posted on 10/07/2003 4:28:36 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: JohnBerger
Would a real domain vs. redirect help with your cred?
63 posted on 10/07/2003 5:42:47 AM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: Calpernia
Would a real domain vs. redirect help with your cred?

Not so much that it would make a really big difference at this stage. Despite the domain, I've gotten calls from everybody from the Wall Street Journal (which regularly reads the site) to NPR about the site, and I've also successfully made contact with several of the biggest names in terrorism reporting these days.

The cred issue has more to do with the fact I am self-publishing rather than working with a major news outlet.

That said, I would certainly consider changing the hosting around if I had a specific indication that it would make a difference in what kind of media play I get. It's not a closed issue by any means.

Of course, if I changed my hostname to "The Washington Post" that would help a lot... ;-)

jmb

64 posted on 10/07/2003 5:51:01 AM PDT by JohnBerger (http://www.whoisjohndoe2.com)
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To: Diddle E. Squat
Thanks for the article.
65 posted on 10/07/2003 6:00:43 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: JohnBerger
Big bump!
66 posted on 10/07/2003 6:19:43 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Devil_Anse
FYI. Thought you might like to read this.
67 posted on 10/07/2003 6:20:30 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: Tacis
Heard they were ham and cheese sandwiches. Yet another gaffe from that idiot Reno.
68 posted on 10/07/2003 6:33:59 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: Velveeta
Thanks! Hmmm... bin laden's brother-in-law... coincidence?

Naw. I think everyone over there is the brother-in-law or sister-in-law of everyone else!!

When one is a rich Saudi, he gets all kinds of special treatment!
69 posted on 10/07/2003 6:36:57 AM PDT by Devil_Anse
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To: JohnBerger; honway; Nancie Drew; OKCSubmariner; OutSpot; Nita Nupress; MizSterious
The cred issue has more to do with the fact I am self-publishing rather than working with a major news outlet.

You're doing excellent work, John. Keep it up.

70 posted on 10/07/2003 6:44:29 AM PDT by Fred Mertz
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To: Fred Mertz
Thanks, and thanks to everyone else who's chimed in with their support on this thread. Any and all help getting the word out online about this story is much appreciated as well.

There's more to come, hopefully within the next several weeks, and I'm making some inroads with traditional journalists, so maybe (knock on wood) we'll see this story move onto a larger stage.

There will be a follow-up to the Khalifa story this week, probably tomorrow, and then I need to sit down and take stock of where best to go next. I have a ton of new source material which I need to sift through...

jmb
71 posted on 10/07/2003 6:48:32 AM PDT by JohnBerger (http://www.whoisjohndoe2.com)
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To: JohnBerger
Best wishes! If you have a ping list, would you add me please?
72 posted on 10/07/2003 7:01:50 AM PDT by Velveeta
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To: JohnBerger; Fred Mertz; Howlin
Here is yet another article that might be of interest to folks on this thread.
73 posted on 10/07/2003 7:34:59 AM PDT by MizSterious (First, the journalists, THEN the lawyers.)
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To: Velveeta
I usually ping *OKBombing with updates; I'll try to remember to do individuals when I can but that's the more reliable place to look.

My server is currently overloaded, hopefully it'll be fixed soon, but the article is now mirrored at www.nabobs.net if anyone is passing the URL around. Thanks...

74 posted on 10/07/2003 7:50:01 AM PDT by JohnBerger (http://www.whoisjohndoe2.com)
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To: InterceptPoint
Considering how death sentences drag out and that in McVeigh's case there was plenty of evidence that he did not get a fair trial, the rush to execute him raised a red flag.
75 posted on 10/07/2003 8:34:14 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Donna Lee Nardo
Actually terrorists do like to remain anonymous, or they'll ensure that lots of different and/or bogus groups take responsibility. OKC could even have been a practice run. If so, why take credit and warn your enemy? AQ hasn't always left a calling card.
76 posted on 10/07/2003 8:37:15 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: aristeides; Donna Lee Nardo
The Islamist terrorists certainly seem to have enjoyed what amounted to presidential protection after OKC.

And this point can't be emphasized enough. And Donna Lee, if you'd like a better idea of just how good the protection was, read Miniter's book. I can't believe that much horrifically bad judgement was purely a coincidence.

77 posted on 10/07/2003 8:40:36 AM PDT by mewzilla
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To: Iconoclast2
Glad to see you are keeping an eye on this too!!!

There's still too many unanswered questions smoldering under the all too rapidly bulldozed site of this crime against America and conservatism!!!

78 posted on 10/07/2003 8:55:45 AM PDT by SierraWasp (I prefer consistent "Considerate Conservatives," to "Compassionate Conservatives," everytime !!!)
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To: MizSterious
Here is yet another article that might be of interest to folks on this thread.

I think you will see, over the course of time, that this FBI-Arizona-Hamas story will be directly connected to OKC before all is said and done.

jmb

79 posted on 10/07/2003 9:53:35 AM PDT by JohnBerger (http://www.whoisjohndoe2.com)
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To: JohnBerger
If he worked with Yousef...he also worked with KSM:

According to a report Sunday by the Associated Press, 9/11 mastermind Khalid Sheikh Mohammed "told his interrogators he had worked in 1994 and 1995 in the Philippines with Ramzi Yousef, Abdul Hakim Murad and Wali Khan Amin Shah on the foiled Bojinka plot to blow up 12 Western airliners simultaneously in Asia."

Yousef, of course, was the man who plotted and executed the failed 1993 World Trade Center bombing, who entered the U.S. on an Iraqi passport the year before and whose partner in the plot, Abdul Rahman Yasin, was granted sanctuary by Saddam Hussein after the attack. Yasin is still at large.

Unmentioned by the AP, Mohammed's account of meetings with Yousef has been corroborated by Yousef's Bojinka partner, Abdul Hakim Murad. After his capture in 1995, Murad told the FBI that he and Yousef were contacted by Mohammed repeatedly during their time in the Philippines. Murad's FBI 302 witness statements detailing the contacts are reprinted in the new book "1000 Years for Revenge," by investigative reporter Peter Lance.

Another intriguing detail unmentioned by the AP, Khalid Sheikh Mohammed is Ramzi Yousef's uncle.

Just last week, new documents uncovered by U.S. investigators in Iraq implicated Saddam's regime in the 1993 attack.

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Another interesting story:

Eight years have passed since Abdul Rahman Yasin bade hasty farewell to New York and flew to Baghdad. There he initially passed the time by fielding telephone calls placed by solicitous FBI agents and finding a niche in Saddam Hussein's police state. By all appearances, Yasin has lived a quiet, secluded life there.

Bush on Oct. 10 named Yasin as one of the world's 22 Most Wanted Terrorists for his role in the 1993 bombing of the World Trade Center. Bush's list is headed by Osama bin Laden and his cohorts in al-Qaida, the terror group accused of finishing the destruction of the New York landmark begun by Yasin and others.

There is no doubt about Yasin's whereabouts after the 1993 outrage. The FBI agents who perfunctorily questioned Yasin in New York and were conned by his pleasant manner quickly understood their mistake in letting him go. They got his brother to telephone Yasin in Baghdad repeatedly to ask him to come back for more questioning. Guess what? Mr. Yasin sent his regrets.

In 1998 then-FBI Director Louis Freeh said publicly that the fugitive was "hiding in his native Iraq." The Iraqi National Congress, the leading anti-Saddam movement, earlier obtained a photograph of Yasin in Baghdad and provided it to Washington. Every indication points to Yasin's not having left Iraq since then, a senior U.S. official tells me.

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All roads seem to lead back to Iraq.

80 posted on 10/07/2003 10:45:53 AM PDT by ravingnutter
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