INS Deported bin Laden Brother-in-Law Just Days After OKC Bombing

whoisjohndoe2.com ^ | 10/06/03 | J.M. Berger

[JohnBerger]

I always though those two bone-heads could never have pulled it off by themselves. How do you think they were recruited?

I may have something fairly detailed to say about this subject in subsequent stories. I'm still chasing a few things I need before taking that one on.

jmb

[InterceptPoint]

I hate to through cold water on hopes that the OKC bombing will be "solved" by the U.S. Government but I just don't believe it. The Justice Department has access to all of the data and it is near certain that Bush had someone take a good look at it when he came into office. If he didn't it is certain that Ashcroft would have. The bottom line is that that they don't want to mess with OKC and they aren't going to. The McVeigh rush to the death chamber was proof enough of that for me.

Like it or not it is Case Closed, probably for "National Security Reasons". That reason is that our security would be weaker if people reallay new how incompetent the FBI is and how involved the BATF was in the run up to the OKC bombing. We the people just "can't handle the truth".

[JohnBerger]

I think some members of the US Government probably already have a pretty good idea of the outlines of the story. I agree that it's highly unlikely that the US Government will step up to the plate and disclose those outlines. I still think it's possible to drag it out of them kicking and screaming, but that may well be wishful thinking.

jmb

[Prince Charles]

Back to the top.

[Peach]

BTTT.

[Lexington Green]

marked

[Pro-Bush]

It was a miracle that there were no BATF agents in the building at the time of the bombing.

[aristeides]

No, she doesn't mean Ramzi Yousef. He wasn't caught till '95. She means those arrested in '93, after the guy returned for the deposit for the rental truck.

[tinamina]

Timothy McVeigh could've been converted to Islam during the Gulf War? It's being said now that Saudi Arabia actively proseltized US military members during that time, right?

[chance33_98]

More info from Govt sources here

[StriperSniper]

Thanks!

[Donna Lee Nardo]

As always, I am open to a Islamic terrorist-OKC connection. I just do not understand what Muslim terrorists got out of the OKC bombing, since no glory claim was claimed by them. Human cut-outs would help as decoys to avoid detection as an attack is planned, but after an attack is implemented, how does this give any notoriety at all to Muslim extremists? How does it further the jihadist cause? Terrorists do not like to work anonymously. I would really like to read all opinions on this.

[JohnBerger]

As always, I am open to a Islamic terrorist-OKC connection. I just do not understand what Muslim terrorists got out of the OKC bombing, since no glory claim was claimed by them. Human cut-outs would help as decoys to avoid detection as an attack is planned, but after an attack is implemented, how does this give any notoriety at all to Muslim extremists? How does it further the jihadist cause? Terrorists do not like to work anonymously. I would really like to read all opinions on this.

Excellent question. Al Qaeda's MO, particularly in the 1990s, was to pull off attacks with deniability. Really, Mohammed Shaikh Khalid's admission that he masterminded 9/11 was a shocking break with tradition.

Usually, al Qaeda simply funds efforts that will create instability and terror among their targets, and usually it attempts to keep that support anonymous. Other examples of this include WTC 1993, now commonly accepted as an al Qaeda attack (see Cheney's remarks this weekend); the aborted Landmarks plot, also in 1993; Jemaah Islamiah, which has been funded by al Qaeda; Abu Sayyaf, which has been funded and trained by al Qaeda; the Chechyn rebels, etc.

All of these groups and individuals are documented as having received operational and/or financial assists from al Qaeda, but al Qaeda has never publicly taken responsibility for any of their actions. It's like the CIA, which does lots of things to destabilize and hurt their designated targets but functions more efficiently under the shroud of anonymity.

jmb

[dagnabbit]

Bin Ladin family members assisted in leaving the USA. Now where have I heard that lately?

[eleni121]

Ping for later

[JohnBerger]

Bin Ladin family members assisted in leaving the USA. Now where have I heard that lately?

Quite. If I had been CBS News, I would have called up Warren Christopher with a few choice questions about what factors went into the decision to deport, but I decided to leave that to others. I have some small hopes of getting someone to pursue this. We'll see if it pans out.

jmb

[Donna Lee Nardo]

I should clarify that this is what I meant: What did any Muslim terrorist group get out of the OKC bombing, al qaeda or not, anonymously or not? We knew the '93 WTC attack was by Islamic extremists and we also knew that about all the other attacks right up until and including 911. But how does OKC fit in? Was a Muslim connection meant only to stir things up within the U.S., and did clintoon really buttonhole the situation so airtight that such a connection was ignored?

I follow Laurie Mylorie, so again, I have an open mind as far as a Muslim link; especially an Iraq link. I just cannot -- no matter how much I try -- see the logic or value of a hidden Muslim link to OKC. They gained nothing; there was no bragging to fellow extremists, etc. For the attack(s) before the OKC bombing and the ones after the OKC bombing, there was always much more than light rumors. Even plans for sabatoging the NYC subway and an actual Muslim extremist shooting at I believe the Empire State Building in the late '90s was openly Muslim extremist.

[Ethyl]

As I understand it, Janet Reno not only made this guy a couple of sandwiches for the trip, she actually gave him a hug goodbye as he got on the plane. He was grateful for the sandwiches.


I hope they were HAM sandwiches.

[JohnBerger]

I see what you mean. But you can ask the same question about the 1998 embassy bombings, or the Cole attack, etc., etc. The purpose of terror is to terrify, and the OKC attack was (until 9/11) the most effective and terrifying attack ever against a U.S. target.

Destabilization, fomenting fear and revolution (at least theoretically), forcing the U.S. to focus on its home front...

I agree it's not as cut and dry as it could be, and there may be more that needs to be explained on this front. But there was never a specific message attached to 9/11 or WTC 1993 either. During the 1990s, al Qaeda spread a lot of money around with the main goal of encouraging chaos. They were mainly out to hurt us, which they did.

I should perhaps add that before actually investigating, I was never a big fan of this particular conspiracy theory, and I'm not at all political about the story. I just ended up finding so much circumstantial evidence to support the notion that I concluded there had to be a fire behind the smoke. I still don't know the whole story, and we may never know it...

jmb

[ApesForEvolution]

Good work. Thanks for taking the risks to get the truth out. Some people won't believe the truth regardless, but it's not for lack of good intel.