Posted on 10/06/2003 5:20:04 AM PDT by SJackson
I'm actually surprised you even made an appearance on this thread, since Mr. Kay did a fine job of making your routine childish comments look especially asanine.
Cute. But the fact remains none of what President Bush stated as fact has come to fruition. First the neocons based their hopes on poisoned water in the Euphrates, then a half buried centrifuge. Next came a bag of beans, and the latest and greatest, rudimentary WMD 'programs' and a vial of botulism found in a refrigerator. Haven't heard about any of those previous stories even from Fox News of late have you? Boy, I tell you, those 'programs' were sure good enough for me to be behind an action that transferred 150,000+ men and whole fleets halfway around the world. Who knows what could have 'defended' us from such a diabolical scheme of a crazed dictator playing in the sand?
During the cooking segment, E.D. turned around and offered them food. I'll bet that they were seething that she acted as if they were no bother.
What nonsense.
Tell me two things what would be the abundance of botulism compared to other bacteria one can run in to in canning and two, how do you separate the botulism from other microorganisms?
This is where bacterial seed cultures are stored. In vials in the refrigerator.
You don't make any sense.
Outbreaks of foodborne botulism involving two or more persons occur most years and usually caused by eating contaminated home-canned foods
Where else would you find botulism? I surely don't know, but it's not something as 'rare' as these wise men would have us believe. And believe it or not, you can even have botulism within a fridge if the temperatures are off. So what is a vial? A bad container of mayonnaise? An old bottle of ketchup? Sure it's bad but it's not the 'smoking gun' promised by the administration either
Yes. That is not in dispute.
You still didn't answer the two specific questions concerning this.
Two technical questions of which I could care less. I imagine that in asking those questions you already have some data to support your point, although I can't see how it's going to prove some massive hidden WMD program of which no evidence has been found
Which indicates you had no idea what you were saying.
You comments were meaningless.
You have no idea what you are talking about and talking just to hear yourself squawk.
The fact is the President said WMDs were an issue. He threw out numbers of thousands of missiles, thousands of tons and liters of WMDs, Kay finds one vial of botulism in a refrigerator and that proves the point the President was right? I know exactly what I'm talking about and if you need it to be made clearer to you, then here it is. The President of the United States was lied to, or either left out of the loop, by people within this administration. WMDs may have existed in some form, but were not a threat to this nation of states. Hussein's scientists scratching around in the desert in the most primitive of enviroments does not a world threatening WMD program make
Now if this upsets your sensitivites about the 'holiness' of the Republican party I don't really care. I do not agree with this war, it was not necessary to prosecute the WOT, and it's going to end up costing this nation of states hundreds of billions, if not a few trillion, dollars. I do not agree with 'quagmire', I just think it was senseless and useless violence to destroy a leader that presented no threat. At least no more than any other MidEast leader. In some instances a lot less. And there is no information that you could provide that would convince me otherwise
I was addressing a specific point you made about botulism and canning.
You were wrong. The presence of a pure botulism strain in storage is not as insignificant as you claimed. You didn't know what you were talking about.
You cannot focus attention on something specific or back up a specific comment you made.
KAY: It's not a weapon in the sense of it was ready to be fired. It is absolutely the essential element that only time and a little growth media would have produced large amounts of Botulinum toxin.
Does the article state this is a 'pure' botulism strain? No. Actually I looked through the entire article and it never states it was pure, it just states it was a strain. But thanks for trying to hype up an otherwise completely boring and face saving attempt. And of course notice again the fact that Kay himself admits it wasn't a weapon
Secondly I don't know jack squat about canning other than watching family members do it for years. But when the CDC says botulism can be produced by canning, I tend to take it seriously
You cannot focus attention on something specific or back up a specific comment you made.
And you have yet to defend anything with actual data other than Kay said so or Bush said so. And one of those disagrees with your cheerleading assessment of 'they found WMDs'
And we return back to the original argument from which you 'we found WMDs' types shy away from so quickly. Where are the WMDs that Bush used in his argument to send this nation of states to war? Surely they can't be that hard to find. We're supposed to believe a government that put up so little resistance, and had no infrastructure to speak of, could hide that many weapons and WMDs in so short of time?
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