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Proof of Saddam's WMDs-The Bush Administration's view of Saddam's threat was right on
frontpagemag/Fox News ^ | October 6, 2003 | David Kay

Posted on 10/06/2003 5:20:04 AM PDT by SJackson

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To: billbears
Of course we can all make this at home if we know something about canning David, but you build it up okay. Since you've had no luck finding 29,984 munitions or all those other tons and liters of WMDs Bush talked about, may as well base your entire argument on something anyone that cans could accidently make...and a whole vial at that!! Simply bone chilling....

I'm actually surprised you even made an appearance on this thread, since Mr. Kay did a fine job of making your routine childish comments look especially asanine.

41 posted on 10/06/2003 7:55:31 AM PDT by Coop (God bless our troops!)
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To: Steve_Seattle; billbears
....Now, now Steve Seattle...Mr. billbears seems to have a good handle on things and if he believes we are not in trouble an we should not fear any weapons Iraqi weapons program I believe him. After all he must be much smarter then Mr. Kay or any other interested party including our President (and in minimal respect the UN). We certainly are very unfortunate he is not our Presdient as I would feel a whole lot safer and no doubt he would have avoided us having to go to war.
42 posted on 10/06/2003 8:09:34 AM PDT by never4get
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To: never4get
After all he must be much smarter then Mr. Kay or any other interested party including our President (and in minimal respect the UN). We certainly are very unfortunate he is not our Presdient as I would feel a whole lot safer and no doubt he would have avoided us having to go to war.

Cute. But the fact remains none of what President Bush stated as fact has come to fruition. First the neocons based their hopes on poisoned water in the Euphrates, then a half buried centrifuge. Next came a bag of beans, and the latest and greatest, rudimentary WMD 'programs' and a vial of botulism found in a refrigerator. Haven't heard about any of those previous stories even from Fox News of late have you? Boy, I tell you, those 'programs' were sure good enough for me to be behind an action that transferred 150,000+ men and whole fleets halfway around the world. Who knows what could have 'defended' us from such a diabolical scheme of a crazed dictator playing in the sand?

43 posted on 10/06/2003 8:17:21 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
...you are simply brillant. Man, you have so much to offer us it is a wonder most of us reject your logic no less then one second after hearing-reading it.
44 posted on 10/06/2003 8:27:59 AM PDT by never4get
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To: never4get
Cute but the sarcasm neither refutes the points I mentioned or adds to the arguments. It just reinforces the fact you are willing to believe anything, as long as it comes from the administration's talking heads. Keep believing in the WMD argument, somebody has to
45 posted on 10/06/2003 8:50:33 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
Please provide a link to back up your claims. Precisely what was claimed, by whom, in what quantities, pertaining to what period of time?
46 posted on 10/06/2003 9:02:32 AM PDT by alnick (The truth shall set you free.)
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To: billbears
Oh and BTW, which is it? Your response to the fact that BT was found was that BT is easily made (not that it matters -- dead is dead). Then when I pointed out the silliness of that argument, you switched to claiming that the quantity is the problem.
47 posted on 10/06/2003 9:05:53 AM PDT by alnick (The truth shall set you free.)
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To: concerned about politics
FOX was doing a morning show in Philidelphia a few days back. I couldn't believe the stupid liberals there. They had protest signs against FOX news they were waving in the back ground. FOX, being the adults, ignored them. Once, they did comment on them and laughed, but went on about their business anyway.

During the cooking segment, E.D. turned around and offered them food. I'll bet that they were seething that she acted as if they were no bother.

48 posted on 10/06/2003 9:11:59 AM PDT by alnick (The truth shall set you free.)
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To: billbears
Refutes what points that you made??? That you believe there was never any WMDs??? Like I said, you are a brillant man because the U.N. and the majority of Americans privy to intelligence certainly did not (nor do they currently) believe same. Rest assured, the fact that you seem to know this without question certainly will help me sleep at night.
49 posted on 10/06/2003 9:29:15 AM PDT by never4get
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To: billbears
Of course we can all make this at home if we know something about canning

What nonsense.

Tell me two things what would be the abundance of botulism compared to other bacteria one can run in to in canning and two, how do you separate the botulism from other microorganisms?

50 posted on 10/06/2003 10:58:05 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: billbears
...a vial of botulism found in a refrigerator

This is where bacterial seed cultures are stored. In vials in the refrigerator.

You don't make any sense.

51 posted on 10/06/2003 11:00:40 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
Botulism can come from something as simple as canning. The CDC's website reports 110 cases a year within our borders. From their website

Outbreaks of foodborne botulism involving two or more persons occur most years and usually caused by eating contaminated home-canned foods

Where else would you find botulism? I surely don't know, but it's not something as 'rare' as these wise men would have us believe. And believe it or not, you can even have botulism within a fridge if the temperatures are off. So what is a vial? A bad container of mayonnaise? An old bottle of ketchup? Sure it's bad but it's not the 'smoking gun' promised by the administration either

52 posted on 10/06/2003 11:13:23 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
Botulism can come from something as simple as canning.

Yes. That is not in dispute.

You still didn't answer the two specific questions concerning this.

53 posted on 10/06/2003 11:19:19 AM PDT by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
two things what would be the abundance of botulism compared to other bacteria one can run in to in canning and two, how do you separate the botulism from other microorganisms?

Two technical questions of which I could care less. I imagine that in asking those questions you already have some data to support your point, although I can't see how it's going to prove some massive hidden WMD program of which no evidence has been found

54 posted on 10/06/2003 11:53:44 AM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
Two technical questions of which I could care less

Which indicates you had no idea what you were saying.

You comments were meaningless.

You have no idea what you are talking about and talking just to hear yourself squawk.

55 posted on 10/06/2003 1:00:52 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
No they're quite meaningless. I really have to hand it to you guys. You have yet to provide no other argument than 'the President said so'.

The fact is the President said WMDs were an issue. He threw out numbers of thousands of missiles, thousands of tons and liters of WMDs, Kay finds one vial of botulism in a refrigerator and that proves the point the President was right? I know exactly what I'm talking about and if you need it to be made clearer to you, then here it is. The President of the United States was lied to, or either left out of the loop, by people within this administration. WMDs may have existed in some form, but were not a threat to this nation of states. Hussein's scientists scratching around in the desert in the most primitive of enviroments does not a world threatening WMD program make

Now if this upsets your sensitivites about the 'holiness' of the Republican party I don't really care. I do not agree with this war, it was not necessary to prosecute the WOT, and it's going to end up costing this nation of states hundreds of billions, if not a few trillion, dollars. I do not agree with 'quagmire', I just think it was senseless and useless violence to destroy a leader that presented no threat. At least no more than any other MidEast leader. In some instances a lot less. And there is no information that you could provide that would convince me otherwise

56 posted on 10/06/2003 1:15:02 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
Kay finds one vial of botulism in a refrigerator and that proves the point the President was right?

I was addressing a specific point you made about botulism and canning.

You were wrong. The presence of a pure botulism strain in storage is not as insignificant as you claimed. You didn't know what you were talking about.

You cannot focus attention on something specific or back up a specific comment you made.

57 posted on 10/06/2003 1:22:16 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
SNOW: All right, I want to get to that in a moment. Before we do that, one final note on Botulinum. The State Department is now calling this discovery in fact the discovery of a weapon of mass destruction. Would you accept that characterization?

KAY: It's not a weapon in the sense of it was ready to be fired. It is absolutely the essential element that only time and a little growth media would have produced large amounts of Botulinum toxin.

Does the article state this is a 'pure' botulism strain? No. Actually I looked through the entire article and it never states it was pure, it just states it was a strain. But thanks for trying to hype up an otherwise completely boring and face saving attempt. And of course notice again the fact that Kay himself admits it wasn't a weapon

Secondly I don't know jack squat about canning other than watching family members do it for years. But when the CDC says botulism can be produced by canning, I tend to take it seriously

You cannot focus attention on something specific or back up a specific comment you made.

And you have yet to defend anything with actual data other than Kay said so or Bush said so. And one of those disagrees with your cheerleading assessment of 'they found WMDs'

And we return back to the original argument from which you 'we found WMDs' types shy away from so quickly. Where are the WMDs that Bush used in his argument to send this nation of states to war? Surely they can't be that hard to find. We're supposed to believe a government that put up so little resistance, and had no infrastructure to speak of, could hide that many weapons and WMDs in so short of time?

58 posted on 10/06/2003 1:39:17 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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To: billbears
Anything to not take responsibility for your ludicrous canning comment.
59 posted on 10/06/2003 1:48:44 PM PDT by tallhappy
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To: tallhappy
Anything for you to not discuss the ludicrous statements given by the President before the war on the levels of WMDs in Iraq
60 posted on 10/06/2003 2:29:23 PM PDT by billbears (Deo Vindice)
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