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Immigrants Rally in City, Seeking Rights
The New York Times ^ | October 5, 2003 | STEVEN GREENHOUSE

Posted on 10/04/2003 6:26:15 PM PDT by sarcasm

Tens of thousands of immigrants rallied in Flushing Meadows-Corona Park in Queens yesterday with the hope of promoting an immigrants' rights movement that will capture the nation's conscience the way the 1960's civil rights movement did.

Coming from Mexico, China, Haiti and many other countries, the immigrants are seeking to persuade lawmakers in Washington to, among other things, grant legal status to more than 8 million immigrants.

"America is a land of immigrants; it was built by immigrants," said Roger Toussaint, an immigrant from Trinidad who is president of New York City's Transport Workers Union. "The justice that was extended to the immigrants of the past should be extended to the immigrants of today."

Organizers estimated that about 100,000 immigrants and their supporters crowded into the park, where they rallied alongside the giant steel globe, known as the Unisphere, that was the symbol of the 1964-65 New York World's Fair.

Cardinal Edward M. Egan, the archbishop of the Roman Catholic Archdiocese of New York, was welcomed with heavy applause and spoke for 10 minutes in Spanish before turning to English.

"We cannot go on simply ignoring and tolerating the plight of our brothers and sisters," Cardinal Egan said. "Families are being damaged by cruel separation and in all too many instances shameful advantage is being taken of men and women in the work force who do not have proper papers."

The rally was the final effort in a two-week campaign known as the Immigrant Workers Freedom Ride, in which 18 buses carrying 900 immigrants and their supporters traveled from Los Angeles, Seattle and eight other cities to Washington and New York to press their case for immigrants' rights. The effort was inspired by the 1961 Freedom Rides, in which blacks and their allies boarded buses to help end segregation in bus terminals in the South. White vigilantes severely beat some of those freedom riders and firebombed one of their buses.

"Forty-two years later, the freedom riders of 2003, you, are going to win," Representative John Lewis, Democrat of Georgia and an organizer of the 1961 freedom rides, told the crowd. "We are one people, we are one family, we are one house, and we are not going to let anybody turn us around. We've come too far."

The rally was in many ways a multicultural festival, with salsa and reggae music, signs in Creole and Spanish, and wafting smells of tortillas and jerk chicken.

The demonstrators called for granting legal status to illegal immigrants, for creating more family reunification visas and for increased workplace protections for immigrants because they are often exploited on the job. In addition, the demonstrators called for an end to civil liberty violations against immigrants, complaining that many law-abiding immigrants have faced harassment and detentions since the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

In 2001, the immigrants' rights movement was gathering steam as the Mexican government worked with immigrants' groups and labor unions to persuade Congress and President Bush to grant legal status to many illegal immigrants. But the Sept. 11 attacks derailed that push because the government's focus turned to border security.

Bishop Nicholas DiMarzio of the Diocese of Brooklyn said that the way immigrants have been treated was a blot on the nation's conscience. "They are often ridiculed, exploited and abused," he said to loud cheers. "This must stop, and this immoral system must be changed."

Church groups, labor unions and immigrants groups sent hundreds of buses to the rally, while many demonstrators arrived by subway and car. Chartered buses brought students from Brown, Columbia, Wesleyan, Yale and other universities and colleges.

Organizers chose Queens for the rally largely because it has so many immigrants from so many different countries and is widely seen as one of the nation's most diverse counties. At the rally, flags from Colombia, Haiti, El Salvador and other countries waved in the light drizzle.

Marian Thom, who works as a paraprofessional at a middle school in Chinatown, said she came to the rally because, "We need to do more to reunify families. And we need better jobs because immigrants have the lowest-paying jobs."

Organized labor was the rally's chief financial sponsor because unions are hoping to improve relations with immigrants, secure better working conditions and persuade many to join unions.

"The struggle of immigrant workers is our struggle," said the A.F.L.-C.I.O.'s president, John J. Sweeney, whose father was an Irish immigrant. "We believe, as Dr. Martin Luther King Jr. believed, that injustice anywhere is a threat to justice everywhere."

Critics questioned the effectiveness of the freedom ride and Flushing Meadows rally. Mark Krikorian, executive director of the Center for Immigration Studies, a research group that favors stronger restrictions on immigration, said, "The people who would need to be persuaded to support an amnesty for illegal immigrants are Republicans, and busloads of illegal immigrants hijacking the vocabulary of the civil rights movement is not a recipe for currying favor with Republican congressmen."

Many employers, including hotels, restaurants and agricultural growers, support the immigrant rights movements, believing that granting legal status to illegal immigrants would spare employers the risk of illegally employing illegal workers. But critics of eased immigration rules warn that granting legal status to illegal immigrants will merely spur new waves of illegal immigration.

The rally's sponsors have not detailed what legislation they would like to grant legal status to illegal immigrants. But in a rally in Washington on Thursday, the sponsors voiced support for a bill that would grant legal status to more than 500,000 illegal farm workers and to illegal immigrants who have lived in the United States for five years and have graduated from American high schools.

The crowd appeared as a sea of colorful signs and shirts, that said, "No Human is Illegal," "Justicia, Amnestia, Libertad," and "Building Immigrants' Voices and Votes,"

Representative Charles Rangel, a Manhattan Democrat and head of the city's Congressional delegation, said yesterday's rally would move the nation the way the 1960's civil rights marches did. "Forty years ago we marched, we prayed, we asked for a more just America," he said. "Today you are making history. You are waking our country together."

Speaker after speaker said the rally should be the beginning and not the end of an effort, with immigrants stepping up their campaign for expanded rights and protections.

As the bus riders crossed the country, they held rallies in Tucson; Memphis; Birmingham, Ala.; Boise, Idaho; New Haven and 100 other cities.

Outside El Paso, Tex., immigration officials stopped two buses traveling from Los Angeles and threatened riders with arrest and deportation. The riders refused to show their documents, and after a three-hour stalemate, they were released, but only after union presidents, members of Congress and bishops called the Bush administration to ask that the buses be let go.

"People do want to see change in this country that gives everyone a fair break," said Maria Elena Durazo, the chairwoman of the rally. "I think it's a new day for the immigrant community."


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; News/Current Events; US: New York
KEYWORDS: illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; invasion; lawbreakers
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To: Consort
Mexico is a neighbor but not a true ally and it will contuinue to encourage illegal immigration, covertly and overtly.

Ally has nothing to do with it.

You don't impose an embargo on an ally.

There should be no trade with Mexico until Mexico controls its people.

102 posted on 10/04/2003 10:02:37 PM PDT by Age of Reason
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To: sarcasm
Tancredo sure stirred up Karl Rove.

Ridiculous.
Tancredo = McClintock minus the public service wonking.

103 posted on 10/04/2003 10:08:59 PM PDT by PRND21
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To: sarcasm
I don't believe that voters would throw out politicians who want to enforce immigration laws.

Large majorities of Americans from all social classes and ethnic groups (including legal immigrants) support restrictions on immigration, and the cowardly GOP, with control over Congress and Presidency, still won't even do so much as attempt to enforce our national borders.

It's not a matter of what the voters think (contra what has been asserted here by some) but rather who controls the media. The media sets the agenda and fills the voters minds with images and slogans and suggestions and information/misinformation/"spin".

Due to that, there is no doubt what would happen if real attempts to rectify the situation were made by the GOP without first addressing the problem of media power and control. We don't have real democracy as long as the people controlling the media can use it to frame the terms of debate and subtlely skew the opinions and emotions of the voting public.

Someone mentioned the last time we had a major roundup and expulsion of illegals: during the Depression. It may take another depression, and perhaps "Civil War 2", to bring about another such rectification.

104 posted on 10/04/2003 10:11:36 PM PDT by Vast Buffalo Wing Conspiracy
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To: Consort
Make the announcement. They have until a certain date to get out of the country. After that date, arrest and make an example out of some with stiff prison sentences as a message to the others.

They'll deport themselves, "voluntarily."

Hb
105 posted on 10/04/2003 10:14:54 PM PDT by Hoverbug
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To: Hoverbug
They'll deport themselves, "voluntarily."

And I thought it was going to be difficult. My wrong.

106 posted on 10/04/2003 10:24:26 PM PDT by Consort
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To: sarcasm
bttfl
107 posted on 10/04/2003 10:30:25 PM PDT by Cacique
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To: Consort
You forgot the < /sarcasm> tag.

What you are overlooking is the the illegal aliens don't care what we say, they care what we do.

We say we don't want them to come illegally, but what we do is entice them with jobs, welfare, free medical care, free Jr. College in CA, driver's licenses, amnesties from time to time, etc. The message is delivered loud and strong: Please come, we want you here.

If these things were cut off, along with an announcement to get out, coupled with enforcement, they would get the opposite message.

Hb
108 posted on 10/04/2003 10:45:10 PM PDT by Hoverbug
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To: El Conservador
I have a friend that was born in S. Korea and he is an American citizen by virtue of his parents not s. Korean. Mexican parents here illegally that have children are giving birth to a new Mexican citizen not an American.

All persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside

Illegals are not subject to US juridiction because they have not been recognized by the government, hence our authority to deport them. Legal immigrants have rights under our system of law and are protected by those rights. So I guess a legal immigrant's children are naturalized citizens. Illegals are subject to Mexico's jurisdiction not ours, therefore their children are citizens of Mexico.

The "and subject to..." is a conditional not an optional or it would have read "or subject to..". It's in plain English and I read it as such.

109 posted on 10/04/2003 10:46:29 PM PDT by RockyMtnMan
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To: Hoverbug
If these things were cut off, along with an announcement to get out, coupled with enforcement, they would get the opposite message.

It would work if both parties supported it as I said. Otherwise, politics will prevail and any attempt by one party to make it happen will aggravate the problem and make it harder to deal with, IMO.

110 posted on 10/04/2003 10:54:52 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Consort
You got that right. It wouldn't be easy with one party doing it, but with 70% of the population against illegal immigration,it would secure a voting block.

Now, you've not even brought up the problem of liberal judges in all this. Remember prop 187??

Hb
111 posted on 10/04/2003 10:59:34 PM PDT by Hoverbug
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To: RockyMtnMan
Ius soli applies regardless in the United States in the 50 states and outlying areas. Ius sanguinis does not apply. A child born in the 50 states or the other American territories is a citizen of the United States of America.

His/her parents may not be subject to the jurisdiction of the United States, like I am, being a legal immigrant, but the CHILD is, and thus, the child will be a citizen of the United States of America.

That's where the concept of "anchor baby" comes to play: An illegal immigrant couple jumps the border and settles wherever in the US, generally being the woman in an advanced state of pregnancy, and this baby will be born in the United States, thus making him an American citizen, with all the entitlements (welfare, education, healthcare...), all of those perks taken adavantage of by his/her parents.

Also, there's not ius sanguinis in Mexico: To be a Mexican citizen by birth, the child must've been born within Mexican territory, so the baby from the last example won't be a Mexican for legal purposes, and this will save the Mexican government a bunch of money they'd have had to spend on this kid in things like welfare, education, healthcare...

So, the anchor baby has allowed his/her parents to stay in America, no matter what, and won't be a burden for the Mexican government, but the US's.
112 posted on 10/04/2003 11:10:09 PM PDT by El Conservador ("No blood for oil!"... Then don't drive, you moron!!!)
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To: RockyMtnMan
"and subject to the jurisdiction thereof"

This is a good point coupled with the fact that Vicente Fox claims all of these illegals are Mexican citizens working in the U.S. at this time. He has even arranged it for them to have dual citizenships and encourages them to vote in the Mexican elections. The Mexican government encourages the illegals to send money HOME to Mexico.
113 posted on 10/04/2003 11:12:51 PM PDT by texastoo
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To: Hoverbug
...the problem of liberal judges in all this.

The law suits on this will last for generations and the lawyers will be coming out of the woodwork and getting rich in the process. Don't rule out reparations, campus riots, kumbaya sung in Englsh and Spanish, flower children....

114 posted on 10/04/2003 11:16:41 PM PDT by Consort
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To: Consort
I wouldn't rule it out, but I wouldn't let it stop me from doing it.

Hb
115 posted on 10/04/2003 11:22:15 PM PDT by Hoverbug
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To: Hoverbug
I wouldn't rule it out, but I wouldn't let it stop me from doing it.

The person/party that replaces you will reverse it and add a few more problems while they're at it. It looks like either both parties make it happen or it won't happen.

116 posted on 10/04/2003 11:29:14 PM PDT by Consort
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To: HiJinx

117 posted on 10/04/2003 11:47:42 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: HiJinx
"We cannot go on simply ignoring and tolerating the plight of our brothers and sisters," Cardinal Egan said...

But the persecution of fellow Christians in China, the Sudan, Africa, etc., continue to fall on deaf ears, including yours, Cardinal. Just a touch of hypocracy here, methinks.

119 posted on 10/05/2003 7:00:50 AM PDT by Paulie
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To: sarcasm
I remember going there as a kid to see the rockets, damn shame.

Oh, its not a third world slum, its either "thriving" or "vibrant"...

120 posted on 10/05/2003 2:20:57 PM PDT by 4.1O dana super trac pak (Stop the open borders death cult)
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