White flag vanity: Will/should McClintock be offered a BIG post in Arnold's administration?

claremont salute to mcclintock ^ | Oct 4, 03 | claremont

[churchillbuff]

I say yes. If there's bad blood, it's no more than between Bush Sr. and Reagan after the 1980 primaries. Remember Bush Sr. talked of REagan's "voodoo economics". McClintock has pulled his punches re. Arnold; he didn't fire at him at the debate. McClintock has elevated the issues discussion and kept Arnold from straying too far left.

Besides that, we could USE McClintock's expertise in a high budget and policymaking post.

The only argument I could see on the other side is that McC would be better groomed to take on Boxer in the US Senate race.

[EternalVigilance]

Pretty good analysis.

[EternalVigilance]

Yeah, do some more opposition research on conservatives.

[strela]

I disagree considering the fact that he does not appear to be a 'spoiler' based on recent polls.

Just because somebody is ineffective in creating division and tearing down a political party doesn't mean they won't be remembered for attempting to do so. Just ask Richard Reid.

As long as he is not costing the party a win his position as the spokesman of the Ca 'right' is secure. He has gained NATIONAL recognition as a conservative

McClinton has gained national recognition for one thing only - attacking candidates in his own party. He's become the Richard Reid of the Republican Party in the state, and I see his support dwindling down to a few bunker cases a week after the election ends.

I think that if Arnold wins he is sitting in the catbird seat to challenge Boxer, if Arnold loses, and he costs the party an opportunity to win then he will probably be relegated to holding onto his State Senators chair as best he can.

I don't see either one happening. Why should the state organization devote a second or a sou to a candidate who tried to stab them in the back and takes money from the sources that Gray Davis gets his? If he SUCCEEDS in stabbing them in the back and getting Bustamante elected, he'll be as popular within true conservative circles as a skunk at a garden party.

[strela]

Do your own damn research. If you have specific charges to make, then please make them. Asking a debater to run off and research a web site for information to harm his own case is dishonest.

[strela]

When JR encouraged Republicans to join the forum I had misgivings. I feared that GOP loyalits would some day destroy his best efforts. Today I think my misgivings were prophetic.

Then why are you still here, Amerigomag?

Strela there must be a forum somewhere that encourages and accepts bashing conservatives.

"Conservatives" don't attack other conservatives, do the other side's opposition research for them, or take money from the same place that the other side gets theirs. The only "bashing" going on here is by your side.

I'd personally appreciate it if you would publish your vitriolic comments over on those venues. I'd like to enjoy the honest exchanges here on FR between those who respect each other.

Considering that your Freeper name appears nowhere on the donor's list at https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/donors , I'll take your request under advisement.

[RGSpincich]

McClintock blamed the Republican establishment for his loss. He was well supported by the establishment is what the research shows.

[strela]

re your Post 60, forgive me for acting like an ass. I 'misunderinterpretated' what you said.

[Quix]

I'm glad you have the courage etc. to support Tom and his principles.

Those of us TRUE CONSERVATIVES ALSO who have noted the perceived demographic realities which appear conclusively to us to indicate Arnold's election is close to a certainty . . . are NOT disruptors nor thugs.

And, I'm not at all persuaded that Tom has the temperament that I'd consider suitable for a top position in a large organization.

[RGSpincich]

I understand, no harm done.

[BibChr]

You asked a serious question, I shall give a serious answer.

No.

To be on a team, you have to be able to be a team player, no matter how bright and right you are.

I think he's proven — and it genuinely saddens me to have been driven to this conclusion — that he's no team player.

But I surely hope that LOTS of people LIKE McClintock in conviction, but unlike him in temperament and character, are given leading posts.

Dan

[AnnaZ]

3. Are Arnold's contributors any less "special interests?"

Name a couple and the amount they gave him, and I'll be happy to consider them and provide my views on them.

Well, first he'll have to let us know, right?: Actor rejects need to identify all donors now

[ElkGroveDan]

Not the looneytune ones (the ones who give Mussolini a bad name).

Maybe Arnold will put you in charge of deciding who's crazy and who's not. They used to do that in the Soviet Union. Political opponents were deemed to be "looneytunes" and sent to mental hospitals.

You'll have to start with the three members of the Senate and two in the Assembly who are considered to be the conservative conscience of our party. You will also need to round up members of all the prolife organizations, the profamily organizations and the Second Amendment groups.

[strela]

Well, first he'll have to let us know, right?

Well, whatever you do, DON'T surf
http://cal-access.ss.ca.gov/Campaign/Candidates/Detail.aspx?id=1256983
and find all that information for yourself.

[strela]

Maybe Arnold will put you in charge of deciding who's crazy and who's not.

No need - they out themselves every time they post.

You'll have to start with the three members of the Senate and two in the Assembly who are considered to be the conservative conscience of our party.

Ooooo, 5 members out of everybody in California government. What an incredible landslide (he said sardonically).

[Avoiding_Sulla]

Your reasonable response here I would not categorize with the others. Disagreement does not make for disruption. Most of the people I pinged have either endured or witnessed true disruption. I wished to thank them for their service, and to stir them on.

Who of us on the Right are unaware of the current difficulty? Demographics, though frequently important, are not everything, as so many referendum overwhelming outcome attest.

I and others see the likely outcome as unfortunate for all of us should the leftist-Republican win at this time.

That outcome would not have been so imminent were our preferred party was not so well infiltrated by moneyed interests who win whatever the party affiliation of the governor, just so long as he was manageable and left leaning. Leadership of that sort is not in conservative's best interests -- and that is not just my opinion.

It is my opinion that our disapproval of the GOP leadership which has greatly propelled the counterattack by their vassels and more lowly agents -- the thugs -- lest our dissatisfaction spread. So it is clearly an understandable reaction on their part.

For it is to that dissatisfaction that I and so many here address our legitimate concerns. The leadership have reason to have guilty consciences -- assuming they still have vestiges of any such morality-based instincts.

[68 grunt]

Now we need his influence in the adminsitration to keep Arnold from veering left.

You shoulda thought about that as you alienated yourself to the point of irrelevence.

[Canticle_of_Deborah]

Both of you make excellent points as usual.

I highly doubt Tom would be a part of Arnold's administration. Wilson would sooner walk on nails than consort with the enemy. If he was offered a position, I hope Tom would kindly say no thanks. Tom would be marginalized and scapegoated for the new administration's failed fiscal policies and probable tax increases. It's better for Tom to remain in the state senate. He can man the resistance from there. Lord knows, we are going to need it in an Arnold administration.

Tom is on the national scene now. The conservatives in this state finally have a leader and voice, whether Tom wins the governorship this time or not. Patience and long term planning should be our strategy.

[68 grunt]

I second New Joisey. Some of his biggest fans are from there.

[ElkGroveDan]

Ooooo, 5 members out of everybody in California government. What an incredible landslide (he said sardonically).

One of the truisms you learn from history is that what is popular is not necessarily right and what is right is very often not popular.

[conservatism_IS_compassion]

he ought to go to a state with a real Republican Party in it and run for the Senate there

Is there a Red state with a Democratic incumbent up for reelection anywhere, and no strong GOP challenger? The natural implication of the Seventeenth Amendment is that McClintock should raise a ton of campaign money, move there, and parlay his reputation into a senate seat "representing" a small-population state.