White flag vanity: Will/should McClintock be offered a BIG post in Arnold's administration?

claremont salute to mcclintock ^ | Oct 4, 03 | claremont

[churchillbuff]

I say yes. If there's bad blood, it's no more than between Bush Sr. and Reagan after the 1980 primaries. Remember Bush Sr. talked of REagan's "voodoo economics". McClintock has pulled his punches re. Arnold; he didn't fire at him at the debate. McClintock has elevated the issues discussion and kept Arnold from straying too far left.

Besides that, we could USE McClintock's expertise in a high budget and policymaking post.

The only argument I could see on the other side is that McC would be better groomed to take on Boxer in the US Senate race.

[strela]

McClintock's political career as a "conservative" is over. He became an irrelevant speed bump (and a small one at that) 2 weeks ago when he refused to withdraw from the race. By stabbing his party in the back, he has become every bit as much of an enemy to true conservative principles in California as Gray Davis, Cruz Bustamante, and Barbara Boxer.

Its time for McClintock and a few of his looney tune supporters to be pitched out of the Republican Party on their collective keisters. (Think of it as flushing the toilet in the Big Tent). Maybe he can flog tasteful Morongo souvenirs somewhere on a reservation near you. He certainly owes some "sweat equity" to his new Indian masters; after all, they paid their 30 pieces of wampum for his dubious "services," and they should get what they paid for.

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[Noachian]

Besides that, we could USE McClintock's expertise in a high budget and policymaking post.

So, McClintock's Conservatism is welcomed in policy making but not welcomed enough to sit in the Governor's chair.

Californians want it both ways, but liberal social issues will never lead to a balanced, Conservative, budget. That's where McClintock comes in. Let the liberals and the RINO's spend, and let McClintock take the fall due to his "failed Conservative" budget policy's.

If Arnold thinks he can, overnight, fill in the hole Sacamento liberals have been digging themselves into for years he's mistaken. With McClintock to take the heat, when it all hits the fan one day soon, he has a way of assuaging the public's anger.

[inPhase]

Thanks for the salute to McClintock post.

Yes Arnold will offer a position or power to McClintock. Arnold and McClintock are fine professionals.

We hope to see McClintock run for higher office.

[NittanyLion]

I think that would be a mistake. It would be like one making one spouse who loves to blow money responsible for all spending and the other for balancing the checkbook. Ultimately balancing the checkbook will prove impossible when there is no spending restraint; yet the "failure" will be placed at the feet of the person who failed to do it.

No thanks. Social liberalism and fiscal conservatism are mutually exclusive.

[churchillbuff]

Your comments are internally inconsistent. You say Tom's 1) a meaningless speed bump; and 2) he stabbed the party in the back. Can't be both, friend. If his candidacy hasn't arrested the party's forward momentum (ie he's a small speed bump only) then the party hasn't been stabbed in the back.

What McC HAS done is keep Arnold from sounding like Buffett. Arnold's taken his big ideas from Tom - - - Arnold is now even promising to repeal the car tax the first morning of his administration - - - the exact line Tom had been using for months.

We should all be grateful that Tom has been in the race and pulled the Republican rhetoric to the right. Now we need his influence in the adminsitration to keep Arnold from veering left.

[RISU]

Absolutely NOT. It is time to start chopping heads of those who put themselves ahead of the people and the common good. He can't "win". he has known that. He has "declared" himself, and I say let him sleep in the bed he makes for himself.

[poet]

I say a most definite no! Mc should not join the political whores (Dreier, Simon, Brulte and the others) who have lost all credibilty as conservatives in my opinion. Better he continue as the voice in the wilderness and continue to make people aware that fiscal conservatism and social liberalism is the perfect oxymoron.

The aforementioned have shown that their "conservative" beliefs are secondary to the survival of the party. A party that has been corrupted by liberals/socialists and is no longer the loyal opposition of the democrats, rather, they have become me-too clones.

They also supported Riordan & Wilson and every other supposed republican(s). No doubt they supported Bloomberg in NY when he ran as a repub even though he was a registered democrat, however, he couldn't stand the heat of so many dems in the race and ran as a repub. We know what that "republican" has done to freedom in NY.

Liberals do not have the courage of their convictions because they ALWAYS run as fiscal conservatives!

Flame away if you are so inclined.

[joesnuffy]

Naw he ought to go to a state with a real Republican Party in it
and run for the Senate there...imo

[poet]

"So, McClintock's Conservatism is welcomed in policy making but not welcomed enough to sit in the Governor's chair."

This exposes them far better than anything we can say. The people voting for Arnold are social conservatives (read entitlements).

Once again:

Fiscal Conservatism is to Social Liberalism as Water is to a Lit Match.

[NoControllingLegalAuthority]

The people of California are desperately looking to a movie star to save them from themselves. I think it is hilarious.

The tough policies and cuts it will take to balance the books in California will make Arnold more hated than Davis.

I believe California is beyond the point of being governable.

Most voters consistently saw their state as a bottomless pot of gold from which to take goodies. They saw endless energy supplies without allowing construction of them. They saw free health care, welfare and education without end. They saw rich people endlessly cooperating with tax increases to feed the insatiable appetite of the nanny state.

They won't like the truth.

[Catalonia]

Better he continue as the voice in the wilderness and continue to make people aware that fiscal conservatism and social liberalism is the perfect oxymoron.

To hell with being a voice in the wilderness. McClintock cannot win. Thus he should drop out to show support for the Republican Party (and thus theoretically to conservative principles). The politcal capital he gains by being a 'team player' and the exposure he has gained in this race can be spent in the campaign against Boxer.

You cannot turn this state into Iowa. Take what you can take and whittle away at modern liberalism piece by piece. I'd rather have McClintock as governor, but I'll take Arnold's veto power over Far Left legislation and the possibility of one U.S. Senator being conservative.

Meanwhile, hammer away at the liberal bias in the media and the academy. The pendulum can shift in three years to the Right under the right circumstances, but only if we have a governor who vetoes the state assembly.

[bboop]

I agree! McClintock is awful. He should NOT be offered a position in Arnold's cabinet, and in fact should move as far away from California as he can -- New Jersey or somewhere, where he can start a new life. I used to LOVE McC -- I thought of him as a feisty, conservative legislator who could really fight the good fight for us conservatives in Sacto. NOW I see him as a self-absorbed, pig-headed spoiler of the worst sort. And SO self-righteous and 'superior' to others in his Purity. His career in California is over; there is a fatal flaw there that is self-destructive. IMHO

[NittanyLion]

McClintock is awful. He should NOT be offered a position in Arnold's cabinet, and in fact should move as far away from California as he can -- New Jersey or somewhere, where he can start a new life.

We'd be happy to take him here in Virginia. His conservatism wil be appreciated here - a welcome change from the derision and scorn heaped upon him by the CA GOP.

[Oatka]

I'm not from California, so am taking a detached view.

Republicans are fighting to see who takes over the helm of the Titanic.

In the Machiavellian world of politics, if McClintock withdrew, most of his followers would not show up at the polls and take away from the "Yes" vote to recall Davis (akin to Sampson pulling down the temple). Maybe he's taking "back-stabbing" hits in order to help the "Yes" vote. Sadly, I don't think the Republicans are that sophisticated.

He would be better off to stay clear of Swartzenegger - not only from the fact that AS will have to make unpopular decisions, but mainly when he (hopefully) runs against Boxer, the Dems can't use his ties to AS as a negative.

Naturally they will make up new ones, but it is one less arrow in their quiver.

[poet]

"To hell with being a voice in the wilderness. McClintock cannot win."

If All the people who "say" they prefer Mc would vote FOR him and quit repeating the "he can't win" mantra, he would win!!!

"Thus he should drop out to show support for the Republican Party"

Once again, you are proving my point, the corrupted party is more important than core beliefs.

"(and thus theoretically to conservative principles). The politcal capital he gains by"

You do realize what you are saying with your theoreticle comment here, don't you?

Further, why do you continue to believe that the people you continue to elect/re-elect will ever change their stripes? to date and for decades they have not.

[KellyAdmirer]

I have no beef with McClintock. I always have wanted him to stay in the race, and always expected him to be a non-factor. His candidacy is a useful demonstration that the middle wins and the fringe loses, something that should not have been in doubt but which activists need to learn, apparently, over and over and over.

He will be irrelevant to the final outcome of the governor's race and has tarnished his image within the Republican party by not bowing out. The only thing saving him from an intra-party savaging is that his campaign fizzled and died about two or three weeks ago, eliminating the chance he could be an actual spoiler.

At this point, nobody cares what he does outside of his dwindling core of supporters and the liberals desperately hoping he can revive his candidacy to siphon off enough votes from Arnold to eke out a win for Bustamante.

That said, he will not be offered a position in Arnold's administration, nor would he accept one, because I think he is happy to remain in the State Senate for the time being.

[BlackElk]

If Schwarzenkennedy is elected, he should be man enough to take orders from Pete Wilson and Warren Buffett with the predictable consequences.

Wilson is no more going to be part of supporting a conservative for the Senate than he was going to be in supporting one for governor.

There will be plenty of opportunity for McClintock and other actual Republicans after the marionette leads California into total disaster. None should have ANYTHING to do with the tsunami that is about to befall California if Wilson has control again.

Actual Republicans in California should carefully make lists of who's been naughty and nice and use same as a guideline to the restoration Republicanism, conservatism and California when the time comes AND organize socially conservative Latinos. Organize young people relentlessly. They love principle and they hate political whores.

My favorite scene in movie history is in (the Gramscian communist movie) Dr. Zhivago. Lara, played by Julie Christie, is seeking the approval of her mother's paramour (and her own), Komarovsky, played by Rod Steiger, as to her proposed marriage to Pavel Antipov, idealistic if nerdish boy communist revolutionary, played by Tom Courtenay. In Antipov's presence, she asks Komarovsky what he thinks. Komarovsky replies: "He is very young." Antipov's reply: "If people do not bring youth to their marriage, what can they bring?" Komarovsky: "A certain measure of experience." Antipov points out his practical work experience in fending for himself and then provides high comedy by saying: I've no amorous experience if that's what you mean. Lara is 17 and that speaks for itself." (The audience is rolling in the aisles). Komarovsky: "No, the young are intolerant." Antipov (drum roll): "The young are intolerant because they have so much less to tolerate in tghemselves." (Beats the hell out of "Frankly, Scarlett, I don't give a damn." which comes in second.)

Therefore, recruit young people who burn with a pure flame. Educate them in every principle legitimately associated with conservatism: religious, military, economic, philosophic. Encourage responsible socializing and camaraderie among them and THEN train them in the nuts and bolts of political maneuver and campaign, debate and recruitment, propaganda and subtlety and frontal assault and all other mere tools of the political art. If they are absolutely committed to principles worthy of commitment, BEFORE thay have too much to tolerate in themselves, you will have built an army of resistance to that which and those who must be resisted.

California RINOs write checks. They don't comprehend ground war.

Be relentless. Organize single issue groups. Organize umbrella groups. It may be that you will find allies headquartered at Rancho del Cielo.

The RINOs and particularly the "conservative" sellouts NEED to buy out the principled folk. Don't let them. So long as you keep far from those who have sold their souls, your existence irritates and angers them because it clearly shows them up for what they are.

Conservatism is a political movement based upon principles and not upon personality cults. Many superb conservatives as good or even better than Tom McClintock (an absolute rock of integrity and principle in this campaign: ignore his enemies' noise machine) have died politically or literally before reaching the next level. Dick Obenshain died in a Virginia plane crash which allowed slimy RINO John Warner to replace him as GOP nominee. Ollie North was politically slain by Warner who dredged elitist Marshall Coleman into a race as a third party RINO to stop North from beating Senator Robb. Senator Peter Dominick of Colorado died long and hard of a bone cancer in his spine in the early 1960s. Bruce Herschenshorn was politically scalped by last minute slime attacks by Boxer but you can bet Wilson was pleased. Senator Paula Hawkins of Florida. Anita Bryant. There are litanies of conservatives who went down in this cause. The cause will endure and the RINOs will not. Imagine their rage if the Demonrats steal the election! We are not meant to win final victories on earth under any earthly leadership. We fight skirmishes until then.

On Tuesday, what will be will be. Tuesday will not be the end of history (even for California) no matter the result.

Wilson will go the way of all flesh. He's no kid. Schwarzenkennedy is clueless. Their friends will evaporate after shamelessly stripmining California taxpayers for three years. Your time will come sooner than your enemies think. Maybe sooner than you think. Prepare. For all the things that matter, carry on.

[BlackElk]

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