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Talks on Capitol Hill to Regulate Tobacco Industry Break Down
Smoke Club Newsletter ^ | 10-2-03 | By Kelley Beaucar Vlahos.

Posted on 10/03/2003 10:06:10 AM PDT by SheLion

Talks in Congress to regulate the tobacco industry broke down Wednesday along partisan lines, making it highly unlikely that new restrictions would be imposed on the cigarette industry anytime soon.

Lawmakers had been close to passing legislation that not only would have ended unpopular tobacco subsidies, but also would have allowed government control over tobacco products for the first time.

But Democrats said late Wednesday that regulations that would have handed the Food and Drug Administration (search) oversight of cigarettes were not strong enough.

"Unfortunately, the proposed legislation which Republicans put forth today falls far short of the strong FDA authority which is needed to effectively do the job," said Sen. Edward Kennedy, D-Mass., the leading Democrat on the health committee. "A weak bill is worse than no bill at all because it would give the public a false impression that their health was being protected."

The House and Senate had been close to voting on bills that would have ended Depression-era tobacco farm subsidies that lawmakers have described as archaic and harmful to the farming communities in several states that grow tobacco.

Farming quotas -- which dictate how much tobacco a farmer can grow and the subsidies given in return -- have been slashed by 50 percent over the last several years due to the decline in demand for cigarettes and foreign competition on the international market.

Paid for by a five-year annual assessment on manufacturers that import tobacco, the buyout would pay for both farmers leaving the tobacco business and those choosing to continue growing the crop on their own.

"The tobacco support system is "outmoded and not practical anymore," Rep. Mike McIntyre, R-D-N.C., told Foxnews.com, explaining that the government began controlling the production of tobacco farming in the 1930s to ensure stable payments to farmers for their crops.

"You can imagine what would happen if your income were cut in half," said Rep. Mike McIntyre, D-N.C., whose district has been devastated by the declining tobacco industry. "And they still don’t know if it can be cut further."

McIntyre joined Rep. Ernie Fletcher, R-Ky., Rep. Virgil Goode, R-Va., and Rep. Bob Etheridge, D-N.C., in introducing a bill last month to end the subsidies with a $15.7 billion buyout.

While the House had not planned to include FDA legislation in the bill, Sens. Judd Gregg (search), R-N.H., the chairman of the Senate health panel considering the legislation, and Mike DeWine, R-Ohio, had agreed to marry the FDA authority to a bill proposed by Sen. Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., that would have allowed a $13 billion buyout.

Calling the FDA proposal a "bitter pill for this senator to swallow," McConnell said in a recent floor speech that support from the senators and the health community behind FDA regulation would be necessary to end the subsidies once and for all.

"That is simply a reality which we confront today," he said, noting that linking the two measures together would create "a formidable coalition here in the Senate across an ideological divide to move us in the direction of achieving both these goals."

House aides had said that similar FDA legislation would likely have remained in final legislation written when negotiators from both chambers met in conference. That way, the bill would have had a better chance of passing in the House, but would also have satisfied lawmakers who wish to see greater regulation of tobacco products.

But when Senate Democrats saw Gregg's final proposal, they said that the provision that allowed only Congress to ban cigarettes was so vaguely written it could have prevented the FDA from requiring changes to make cigarettes safer.

"The vague language was a loophole that could prevent FDA from taking any steps to reduce the harm caused by tobacco," said Matthew Myers, president of the Campaign for Tobacco-Free Kids.

"We’re not willing to support FDA regulations that are too weak," said Allison Dobson, spokeswoman for Sen. Tom Harkin, D-Iowa, before the final legislation was offered. "I think there are a lot of senators who feel strongly that this shouldn’t be a sham."

Mark Berlind, a lawyer for Philip Morris parent company Altria, rejected the criticisms. He said health groups wanted the FDA to be able to ban tobacco products, something that was in a previous bill sponsored by Kennedy.

"We're disappointed that these talks broke down over a last-minute insistence that FDA be able to ban all cigarettes for adults," Berlind said.

Jacob Sullum, editor of Reason magazine, added that the public health lobby is "never satisfied." He said that he thinks the latest attempt to regulate tobacco is just another boondoggle for government.

"This is more than [the public health lobby] dreamed of years ago, but they are still not happy," Sullum said, referring to the 1998 tobacco settlement with the states in which the cigarette makers were forced to pay hundreds of billions of dollars for state programs as well as comply with new marketing and promotion standards.

Other areas of disagreement include how far states should be able to go in setting their own restrictions on the industry and whether tobacco companies can be sued for failing to adequately warn people about smoking hazards.

This latest effort by lawmakers to regulate the tobacco industry was the most serious in years. Whereas a buyout of tobacco-growers was an unpopular suggestion five years ago, it had recently been embraced by farmers and lawmakers alike as the only solution to their ongoing financial woes.

Philip Morris USA, the nation's largest cigarette maker and a major campaign contributor, had also recently reversed its previous position and endorsed FDA regulation, even though would be getting hit twice in the pocketbook -- once for the buyout, another with the oversight fees.

Smaller companies like R.J. Reynolds Tobacco Holdings, Inc., say they will be financially ruined by both the buyout and the oversight measures.

Smaller cigarette makers will likely be squeezed by the new rules, said Sullum, who added, "The cost will be passed on to consumers."

But lawmakers say the move was necessary to help the ailing farming community as well as provide regulations aimed to protect the public health.

The FDA asserted authority over cigarettes in 1996, but the Supreme Court later ruled that only Congress can give the FDA that power.

The Associated Press contributed to this report.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Government
KEYWORDS: antismokers; bans; butts; cigarettes; individualliberty; michaeldobbs; niconazis; prohibitionists; pufflist; smokingbans; taxes; tobacco; wodlist
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To: MrLeRoy
Smokers, welcome to the War On Some Drugs.

We've been well aware of that inclusion for quite a long time.

21 posted on 10/06/2003 6:50:45 AM PDT by Gabz (Smoke-gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - SWAT'EM)
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To: Gabz
Smokers, welcome to the War On Some Drugs.

We've been well aware of that inclusion for quite a long time.

Not all of you---see post #14.

22 posted on 10/06/2003 6:53:16 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: viligantcitizen
I clearly remember that--read the book several times at age 16...I didn't think it would ever be true, though...and now I realize how true it was BEFORE Miss Rand wrote the book...
23 posted on 10/06/2003 6:55:34 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Cyanide, mercury, and botulinum toxin are medically and industrially useful friends to mankind.)
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To: SheLion
SheLion, far be it from me to wish to get into an arguement with you, but as others have pointed out here and on other threads, nicotine, like its relative caffeine, is technically a drug.

I don't buy in to the Bravo sierra that nicotine is more addictive than heroin or cocaine, but that does not change the truth that it is a "drug."

The vast majority of drugs are legal, just walk down the cold/cough or allergy aisle of any drug store or supermarket. Much of the stuff found on those shelves used to be available by prescription only, some as recently as a year ago.

Cocaine and marijuana were legal commodities at one time, just as both alcohol and tobacco have been illegal at times in the past.

Do I think the War On (some) Drugs is a horrendous waste of money and manpower? Yes, but that is not my fight. My fight, because I am only one person, is to keep tobacco from going the way of things like marijuana.

24 posted on 10/06/2003 7:05:33 AM PDT by Gabz (Smoke-gnatzies - small minds buzzing in your business - SWAT'EM)
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To: Judith Anne
Didn't read it till I was 50. Wish I had been exposed to it at 16. The deification of business leaders was long outdated by the time she wrote it, but the portrayal of the "system" was scary accurate.
25 posted on 10/06/2003 7:09:14 AM PDT by steve50 (Principles are useless if applied selectively)
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To: steve50
Agreed.
26 posted on 10/06/2003 7:10:32 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Cyanide, mercury, and botulinum toxin are medically and industrially useful friends to mankind.)
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To: Judith Anne; steve50
Orwell was also quite the prophet.
27 posted on 10/06/2003 7:11:55 AM PDT by Vigilantcitizen (Game on in ten seconds...http://www.fatcityonline.com/Video/fatcityvsdemented.WMV)
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To: viligantcitizen
You have that right. I now hesitate before saying words like "Chigger, bigger, trigger," etc. ;-D
28 posted on 10/06/2003 7:16:09 AM PDT by Judith Anne (Cyanide, mercury, and botulinum toxin are medically and industrially useful friends to mankind.)
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To: SheLion; MrLeRoy
Drugs are illegal and you need a prescription in order to obtain them

That is MrLeroy's campaign; to make them legal to obtain without a prescription similar to beer.

29 posted on 10/06/2003 7:17:32 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: viligantcitizen
Orwell was also quite the prophet.Agreed. I've gone back and re-read most of the classics from my childhood. Looking back, they seem more like prophecy than fiction.
30 posted on 10/06/2003 7:20:17 AM PDT by steve50 (Principles are useless if applied selectively)
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To: cinFLA; SheLion; MrLeRoy
That is MrLeroy's campaign; to make them legal to obtain without a prescription similar to beer.

Why don't you tell SheLion your thoughts on smoking bans in restaurants and bars?

31 posted on 10/06/2003 7:54:17 AM PDT by jmc813 (Arnold needs to drop out now for the good of the party.)
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To: jmc813
Why don't you tell her your thoughts on legalizing hard drugs?
32 posted on 10/06/2003 7:55:49 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
I think states should be able to set their own policies on drugs. The owner of Free Republic agrees with me.
33 posted on 10/06/2003 7:58:03 AM PDT by jmc813 (Arnold needs to drop out now for the good of the party.)
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To: jmc813
I think states should be able to set their own policies on drugs. The owner of Free Republic agrees with me.

But you would prefer that they made hard drugs legal, right? I am not sure JR agrees with you on that.

34 posted on 10/06/2003 8:02:12 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: Gabz
Over-taxation and over-regulation are sure fire ways to kill an industry. While I'm no fan of paying taxes or putting up with government regulations, this is one place where I am all for it, at least to a certain degree. Nicotine is an extremely addictive drug and cigarettes are killing millions of Americans. I would never make them illegal, because when we totally prohibit a substance, we as a society lose all control over the market for that substance. And in the case of drugs, I believe governemt regulation is not only okay, it's necessary.

It's my understanding that cigarette smoking has gone down over the years considerably. It's down by close to half if I'm not mistaken since the early 1970's, especially among young people. It's difficult to pin down the exact reasons for this phenomenom, but education, regulation and taxation probably all had some impact.

Now all we need to do is follow the cigarette model with marijuana, legalize it, regulate and tax the crap out of it and see if we can't cut use like we've done with cigarettes. I don't know if I'd go that far with other drugs because some are just too dangerous and addictive, but it seems to me that when it comes to non-medical use of drugs, regulated markets are preferable to unregulated markets because at least society can have some measure of control over a regulated market. We should be quite conservative though when it comes to banning substances entirely. Liberal use of prohibition is a bad idea that doesn't succeed in its intended purpose and that does in fact cause a great degree of additional problems for society.
35 posted on 10/06/2003 8:08:35 AM PDT by TKDietz
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To: cinFLA
But you would prefer that they made hard drugs legal, right?

Either your long-term memory is going or you're lying, as I keep track of the amount of times I tel you my position on hard drug legalization (It's currently at 8). Which is it?

36 posted on 10/06/2003 8:08:49 AM PDT by jmc813 (Arnold needs to drop out now for the good of the party.)
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To: jmc813
Either your long-term memory is going or you're lying, as I keep track of the amount of times I tel you my position on hard drug legalization (It's currently at 8). Which is it?

Then you prefer to keep hard drugs illegal?

37 posted on 10/06/2003 8:15:10 AM PDT by cinFLA
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To: cinFLA
Then you prefer to keep hard drugs illegal?

*sigh* OK, #9...I think the states should be able to set their own drug policies. In my particular state, I'd like to see pot legalized, but not heroin or meth, and I would vote in referrendums accordingly if need be.

Do you honestly forget the previous 8 times I've told you this?

38 posted on 10/06/2003 8:22:05 AM PDT by jmc813 (Arnold needs to drop out now for the good of the party.)
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To: jmc813; cinFLA; SheLion
Why don't you tell SheLion your thoughts on smoking bans in restaurants and bars?

I assume you were addressing cinFLA---who in typical cowardly fashion has not answerwed your question---but I'll answer anyway. I support a person's right to use tobacco or any other recreational substance on their own property or any property whose owner has agreed to it---therefore I am opposed to all smoking bans imposed by government on unwilling restaurant and bar owners.

39 posted on 10/06/2003 8:24:33 AM PDT by MrLeRoy (The legitimate powers of government extend to such acts only as are injurious to others. - Jefferson)
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To: MrLeRoy; cinFLA
I support a person's right to use tobacco or any other recreational substance on their own property or any property whose owner has agreed to it---therefore I am opposed to all smoking bans imposed by government on unwilling restaurant and bar owners.

What say you, Mr. Cin?

40 posted on 10/06/2003 8:27:36 AM PDT by jmc813 (Arnold needs to drop out now for the good of the party.)
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