We Must Fight the Evil Indians

10-3-03

[Chad Fairbanks]

Well, you were one of only a handful :0)

[DoughtyOne]

I'm sure you know that those issues exist in the other states where compacts have realized Indian Casino dollar contributions to help pay for the items I have listed. Thanks for the comments.

[Chad Fairbanks]

That's the part I don't understand - other states negotiated for and got those fees and such - why didn't California? Was it incompetence? Politics?

That is the question that needs answering... :0)

[DoughtyOne]

Well that is the question isn't it. There's the possibility of incompetence or even the idea this is fluid in the states as the issue becomes more fleshed out. Courts have rules no income taxes can be levied, but states are free to negotiate compacs that see revenues realized none-the-less. I'm not sure if agreements that have been arranged in other states were pre or post our own compacts.

[Chad Fairbanks]

Not sure. I know California was one of the early states to be sued for the right to conduct gaming, though...

[DoughtyOne]

Thanks Chad. I wasn't aware of that.

[StoneColdGOP]

Bump.

[Saundra Duffy]

Just when Native Americans found a way to be successful - Schwarznkennedy wants to destroy them by TAXING them back to the old Reservations. I just hate California right now. Our only hope is McClintock!! www.helptom.com

[DaughterOfAnIwoJimaVet]

I was. I'm also apparently only one of a handful that is offended when people, in an attempt to shut others down, make mocking references to our American Indian conservative friends as "chief".

Maybe I'm misinterpreting it, but the way it has been used, it sounds like something that is intended to be insulting or demeaning.

I surely hope not.

[kingu]

That's the part I don't understand - other states negotiated for and got those fees and such - why didn't California? Was it incompetence? Politics? That is the question that needs answering... :0)

Prop 5 included into the state constitution a model compact, written by the tribes, that basically enumerated every detail. A couple concessions were made to the governor who then signed compacts with the tribes. Who did it? The people of California who voted for Prop 5. So politics is the answer to your question. The tribes want to get more machines, tribes that weren't party to the first compacts want compacts as well, so everything now goes on the table.

Davis basically sent out his terms and told the tribes to take it or leave it, without sitting down to negociate. It was typical Davis management - since the issue hadn't passed the point of critical problem, it got put on the back burner so that he could attend more fundraisers.

[Dan from Michigan]

What's worrying me is the constant ignorance and blatant hatred of Indians on Free Republic

They made one major error.....they opposed the great and powerful Arnold.

[Chad Fairbanks]

That would explain it.

Of course, with Arnold's attitude, I can't blame them for supporting Anyone But Arnold... of course, Arnold took money from the indians to support his After School Program campaign he was running some time ago, too. "Oops".

[kingu]

You are mistaken. We are fourth generation Santa Ynezians, not people getting second hand gossip from friends. Two of my best friends have shown me the financial disclosures from their divorces. I have also seen bancrupcy notification/financial disclosure forms sent to a friend of mine by one of the tribal members. For the last couple of years the stipend has increased to $30,000 per month. Since the new Chumash Resort opened, the stipend has increased to $50,000.

Second hand gossip is exactly what you described in your assertion. A friend's statement. I deal with 34 members of the tribe on a near monthly basis. If they're getting $50,000 a month, they must have the worst gambling problems on the planet. I have seen and cashed the per cap checks, the highest I've seen was $3,400 for a family of four.

[Chad Fairbanks]

:0)

[Chad Fairbanks]

That sounds typical of Davis, certainly.

[Zevonismymuse]

Second hand gossip is exactly what you described in your assertion. A friend's statement.

No, not a friend's statement, but a legal court document.

they must have the worst gambling problems on the planet.

Actually, they do gamble away most of their checks, but you are ABSOLUTELY wrong about the amount received by the Chumash. You are living in the 1990s. They have not been in the single digits for ten years.

[Eaker]

There is a line in there somewhere, but I ain't gonna touch it!!!

[Xenalyte]

Seriously! I'm carrying around a meat tenderizer mallet and a bag of spices, so I can season and taste patrons. I doubt I'll find anyone worth barbecuing, though.

[GladesGuru]

I am aware of the Constitution, and the Treaties. But I still see a conflict between special status for the Indians and the Constitution.

Such special status would seem to be in conflict with other parts of the Constitution, such as the Equal Protection section.

[vbmoneyspender]

Then I would suggest you take up your complaint with the Supreme Court. Indian tribes that have signed treaties with the United States are essentially no different than foreign nations that have signed treaties with the United States. BTW, the equal protection clause is set forth in the 14th Amendment to the Constitution. As such, it would not override an article of the Constitution unless the amendment specifically set forth that it was overriding an article.