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LOBBYING FAILS, H-1B VISA CAP FALLS to 65,000
TIMES NEWS NETWORK[ WEDNESDAY, OCTOBER 01, 2003 12:53:47 PM ]via India TImes ^ | OCTOBER 01, 2003 12:53:47 PM | K YATISH RAJAWAT/ECONOMICTIMES.COM

Posted on 10/01/2003 9:39:39 AM PDT by 11th_VA

MUMBAI: The annual cap for H-1B visas will now be 65,000. This is a sharp drop from the earlier limit of 195,000 visas.

The US plans to enforce this rule from October 1, 2003.

The Indian IT industry has been lobbying hard to freeze H-1B visa limits at current levels. However, these efforts which had the support of some US corporations to retain H-1B visa limits have failed. (Will Europe be the next big hunting ground for Indian IT pros?)

Indian IT professionals are among the largest users of H-1B visas, as US Big Tech shops big from this technical pool. The H1-B visa cap was raised to 195,000 in 02. This particular legislation had a 'sunset' clause. According to this clause, the limit would have (automatically) lapsed on October 1, 2003. Ergo, the H1-B visa annual cap will now fall back to 65,000 visas.

The H1-B visa issue has generated a lot of controversy in the US. Several trade unions representing (local) technology workers have been lobbying against these work permits. The slowdown in the high-tech industry combined with an overall drop in US economic growth has resulted in a number of job losses.

H1-B visa users have been at the receiving end of criticism from unemployed American professionals for taking away their jobs. These visa users are also seen as representative of the trend towards offshore outsourcing trade jargon for moving to cheaper locations like India which is also under flak for spiriting away US jobs.

The visa was created in the early 1950s to give skilled foreign workers a permit to reside in the United States. The H1-B category was added in 1990 to give foreign workers an opportunity to pick up a job with the intention of remaining permanently in the United States.

In 1999, under pressure from high-tech companies and other manufacturers, Congress expanded the limit from 65,000 to 115,000. It raised the cap again to 215,000 in 00 and to 195,000 in 01 and 02.

Top Indian companies have been curtailing the use of H1-B visas for sending employees to the US. Ergo, it unlikely that the offshore outsourcing trend will be affected. Most companies have shifted to the use of L-1 visas (used for intra-company transfers). However, companies whose basic revenue model is supplying manpower to US corporations, ( body-shoppers, are likely to be hit by this move.


TOPICS: Breaking News; Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: gat; h1b; h1bvisas; immigrantlist; l1visas; nafta; onetermpresident
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To: JustAnAmerican
The politicians are starting to realize they are facing a lynching squad called the "Pissed off American Voter" in 2004.

Oh, the ranks of the pissed off American's are swelling.

This sums up this whole freaking thread.

401 posted on 10/01/2003 2:11:16 PM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: Joe Hadenuf
This sums up this whole freaking thread.

Dammit! You could have saved me from wading through 400 posts...

402 posted on 10/01/2003 2:17:58 PM PDT by null and void
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To: KC_Conspirator
dollar for dollar, the Mexican army is cheaper than ours, even with the bribes. Why don't we just contract out to them?

Please don't give him ideas

403 posted on 10/01/2003 2:21:40 PM PDT by murdoog (i just changed my tag line)
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To: Elliott Jackalope
I no longer respond to his postings, and I would suggest that everyone else on this board do the same

Excellent advice. I actually find myself wishing sometimes that FR had usenet-style kill files. And I never even thought about such a thing till Dawg came along.

404 posted on 10/01/2003 2:52:45 PM PDT by murdoog (i just changed my tag line)
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To: RockyMtnMan
The way I look at it we out number them 20 to 1 and as long as we win the mind share the Dawgies of the world become irrelevant.

You are right about that. That's why Bush instituted the tariffs and many other trade protectionist measures he has instituted (like the one that started this thread). (I think your crowd calls it "selling out" and "pandering". I call it political expediency.) Just don't kid yourself into thinking he thinks it's good economic policy. He knows it's not. But he also knows how easily people are demagogued on the issue (as FR demonstrates very thoroughly). Bush isn't stupid though.

405 posted on 10/01/2003 2:55:45 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (Angry uneducated people are really funny.)
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To: murdoog
And I never even thought about such a thing till Dawg came along.

I'm a trend-setter like that. Thanks.

406 posted on 10/01/2003 2:57:11 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (You're trying hard not to show it... but, baby... believe me... I know it.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
"Read F.A. Hayek's 'Road to Serfdom'. A true conservative that one of the most important books of the 20th Century (Top 10 on National Review's Best of the Century, I believe)."

Hayek is great, but almost irrelevant to this particular discussion.
407 posted on 10/01/2003 3:00:07 PM PDT by Tauzero (Avoid loose hair styles. When government offices burn, long hair sometimes catches on fire.)
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To: Tauzero
Hayek is great, but almost irrelevant to this particular discussion.

You have to be kidding. He would be completely opposed to the federal government restricting businesses from hiring whom they choose, simply to prop up the wages of a privileged few (and at the expense of everyone else).

408 posted on 10/01/2003 3:03:19 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (You're trying hard not to show it... but, baby... believe me... I know it.)
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To: Texas_Dawg; Lazamataz
"Read F.A. Hayek's 'Road to Serfdom'. A true conservative that one of the most important books of the 20th Century (Top 10 on National Review's Best of the Century, I believe)."

Dawg, have you read Hayek's essay Why I am not a Conservative?

409 posted on 10/01/2003 3:03:27 PM PDT by Tauzero (Avoid loose hair styles. When government offices burn, long hair sometimes catches on fire.)
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To: murdoog
Sorry, you are right. Some people would sell America down the river for the "bottom line".
410 posted on 10/01/2003 3:04:13 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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To: Tauzero
Dawg, have you read Hayek's essay Why I am not a Conservative?

Yes.

411 posted on 10/01/2003 3:07:03 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (You're trying hard not to show it... but, baby... believe me... I know it.)
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To: KC_Conspirator
Sorry, you are right. Some people would sell America down the river for the "bottom line".

Maybe so. I'm not one of them. The reason I support capitalism as opposed to the different socialist measures advocated here is because I want the U.S. to be as strong as possible.

412 posted on 10/01/2003 3:08:08 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (You're trying hard not to show it... but, baby... believe me... I know it.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
" You have to be kidding."

No, I'm not.

"He would be completely opposed to the federal government restricting businesses from hiring whom they choose, simply to prop up the wages of a privileged few (and at the expense of everyone else)."

He would merely point out some of the undesirable unintended consequences of such an action, and that in the aggregate there is a net economic loss.

What he never says is that the net economic loss is sufficient grounds for rejecting such a policy.
413 posted on 10/01/2003 3:21:11 PM PDT by Tauzero (Avoid loose hair styles. When government offices burn, long hair sometimes catches on fire.)
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To: Tauzero
What he never says is that the net economic loss is sufficient grounds for rejecting such a policy.

OK. Point taken.

414 posted on 10/01/2003 3:23:28 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (You're trying hard not to show it... but, baby... believe me... I know it.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
To add insult to injury, the guys doing the hiring and firing are increasing their own salaries as profits rise.
415 posted on 10/01/2003 3:27:27 PM PDT by RobbyS (CHIRHO)
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To: RobbyS
To add insult to injury, the guys doing the hiring and firing are increasing their own salaries as profits rise.

There are no "guys". The Man and The System and "evil CEOs" are not out to get you. Please turn Dan Rather off for a night and learn how capitalist economies work.

416 posted on 10/01/2003 3:37:02 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (You're trying hard not to show it... but, baby... believe me... I know it.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Texas_Dawg,

After reading your on-going bickering with Lazamataz and crew, I was hoping you would clarify some of your seemingly non-capitalist viewpoints such as sending our free market dollars to non capitalist countries, your advocating the federal governments involvement in increasing the labor pool with the use of non-citizens, and your lack of opinion on the proper role of a capitalist employee.

Sorry friend(I hope you will accept that term), but your posts are seem to indicate that you are not a true capitalist but a capitalistic cannibal. You appear to be pro employer but you haven't demostrated any knowledge of the importance of capitalistic employees to the free market.A screw the worker mentality doesn't work for long.

I hope I'm wrong about you, but sadly I don't think I am.

417 posted on 10/01/2003 3:37:39 PM PDT by Can i say that here?
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To: Can i say that here?
I was hoping you would clarify some of your seemingly non-capitalist viewpoints such as sending our free market dollars to non capitalist countries, your advocating the federal governments involvement in increasing the labor pool with the use of non-citizens, and your lack of opinion on the proper role of a capitalist employee.

That is just a bunch of silly spin to advocate the federal government banning businesses from hiring certain people. Actually, I believe in that in serious cases of national security (i.e. I support the Cuban embargo), but the appeals to national security here are a total joke (like Amtrak, welfare, and your other federal interventions in the name of "national security"). This is all about forcing Americans to pay more to prop up the jobs of a privileged few that can't compete otherwise. That is the exact opposite of capitalism. No one is "exporting" jobs or "sending" money to Communist countries. Sorry you fall so easily for such stupid rhetoric (and don't mention a word about the millions of American jobs created through trade with China and India as well as the billions of dollars of investment they "send" our way as well).

418 posted on 10/01/2003 3:45:26 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (You're trying hard not to show it... but, baby... believe me... I know it.)
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To: Texas_Dawg
Capitalism should be able to create jobs with growth. What we are arguing here does not.
419 posted on 10/01/2003 3:52:20 PM PDT by KC_Conspirator (This space for rent)
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To: KC_Conspirator
Capitalism should be able to create jobs with growth.

It does and allowing people to purchase the labor they choose to be most efficient for them does as well (by allowing them to reinvest the money saved in more efficient areas of their choosing).

420 posted on 10/01/2003 3:55:47 PM PDT by Texas_Dawg (You're trying hard not to show it... but, baby... believe me... I know it.)
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