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When hanging up is the best revenge
Boston Herald ^ | 10/01/03 | A Boston Herald editorial

Posted on 09/30/2003 11:22:10 PM PDT by kattracks

Fifty million Americans can't be wrong.
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The appeal of a do-not-call list aimed at commercial telemarketers is obviously enormous nationwide, just as it was when it went into effect here in Massachusetts. (Those who signed up for the Massachusetts list were automatically entered into the federal data base.)

It's hardly surprising that the industry is challenging the new law at every opportunity and using every legal remedy at its disposal.

Congress moved quickly in the the wake of one federal court decision, clarifying that yes indeed, the Federal Trade Commission has the authority to set up the list that could lead to fines for telemarketers.

President Bush signed that bill into law Monday saying, ``The public is understandably losing patience with these unwanted phone calls, unwanted intrusions. Given a choice, Americans prefer not to receive random sales pitches at all hours of the day. The American people should be free to restrict these calls.''

It does seem a fairly basic right - to be free from such intrusions. Ah, but one man's intrusion is obviously another's free speech. And so yet another federal court case looms over the broader issue of whether by choosing up sides - by exempting charities and political calls - the government has put its heavy thumb on the supposedly well-balanced scales of justice. That one could take some time to sort out.

But Yale Law School professor Ian Ayres, writing in yesterday's New York Times, proposed an intriguing market-based solution, allowing the government to use an intermediary - such as phone companies - to offer families the telephone ``filter'' of their choice. Some could opt to allow charity calls through, others pollsters, and still others could make commercial telemarketers pay for their time with a kind of reverse 900-number.

Clearly consumers are mostly just furious at these intrusions and at the telemarketing industry for defending them. If the law is not allowed to stand, hanging up may prove to be the best revenge.



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To: Rainmist
No, I don't... what did Seinfeld do?
41 posted on 10/01/2003 5:29:42 AM PDT by carton253 (All I need to know about Islam I learned on 9/11/2001)
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To: kattracks
"But Yale Law School professor Ian Ayres, writing in yesterday's New York Times, proposed an intriguing market-based solution, allowing the government to use an intermediary - such as phone companies - to offer families the telephone ``filter'' of their choice."

Yeah, leave it up to someone in the legal business to encourage some type of law that will enhance the coffers of business; namely the phone company. Gee! I wonder if there would be a charge for their "screening" services or would they do it just because they like you and want to serve their community?
42 posted on 10/01/2003 6:14:56 AM PDT by DH
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To: Right_in_Virginia
Ah, but one man's intrusion is obviously another's free speech.

This has always been one of my favorite telemarketing industry arguments. I don't think the first amendment guarantees an audience to anyone.

43 posted on 10/01/2003 6:27:10 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: Jeff Chandler
The telemarketer is just some schmuck trying to earn a living.

So are crack dealers. People who do telemarketing for a living are demon spawn, belched up from the bowels of hell. They are the enemy.

44 posted on 10/01/2003 6:30:43 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: kattracks
Ah, but one man's intrusion is obviously another's free speech.

No it isn't. You may not claim free speech on private property. You have no right to go on private land land and abuse it. You may not deliberately trespass on my posted property.

My phone is my property. The "do not call list" gives me a way to post it and provides me with a means of redress if you choose to ignore the postings.

45 posted on 10/01/2003 6:36:23 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (Been there. Done that. Got the T-Shirt. Sold it on e-bay.)
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To: Jeff Chandler
We don't answer the phone during meals or other busy times, but rather let our answering machine do the screening.

The ultimate and permanent fix, with one proviso: I need to go get a cordless phone that has an OFF switch for the ringer!
I can't believe that they make phones without a ringer "off" switch!

46 posted on 10/01/2003 6:38:06 AM PDT by Publius6961 (californians are as dumb as a sack of rocks.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
What about our rights to privacy?

What's to say putting your name on a brand new Federal database won't do more damage to your privacy than being annoyed by telemarketers.

My answering machine and caller ID do a fine job of screening calls without involving the government.

47 posted on 10/01/2003 6:38:45 AM PDT by putupon (I'll put a Cross for the Constitution beside the Highway of History, if the Courts will let it stay.)
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To: ETERNAL WARMING
What about our rights to privacy?

What's to say putting your name on a brand new Federal database won't do more damage to your privacy than being annoyed by telemarketers.

My answering machine and caller ID do a fine job of screening calls without involving the government.

48 posted on 10/01/2003 6:38:46 AM PDT by putupon (I'll put a Cross for the Constitution beside the Highway of History, if the Courts will let it stay.)
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To: BlackbirdSST
How many telemarketer's are employed in the US? I'm sure this will be a boon to the economy, IDIOTS! Blackbird.

This has occured to me as well and of course Bush will get the blame.Odly enough I get almost no telemarketing calls since I've cancelled all my credit cards.I do however get the occaisional fundraising pitch from the Republican Party.
49 posted on 10/01/2003 7:05:53 AM PDT by edchambers (California Uberalles)
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To: BJungNan
Much more effective method than this. It is called an air horn. A couple of good blasts in the mouth piece and mysteriously the telemarketer is no longer on the line.

Hanging up accomplishes the same thing and saves on having to buy an air horn ;-)

50 posted on 10/01/2003 7:06:55 AM PDT by varon
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To: kattracks
I always thought it would be fun to build a machine that does what I do manually - (Described below):

"Hello? This is John Smith....I'm sorry - it's a little hard to hear you but go ahead......(put phone down, do other things, wait 30 seconds)...Hello? I'm sorry...you broke up there..could you repeat that?....(wait a good minute) Hello? sorry...one more time...(And if they're still going) Oh, wait a minute - you probably want John Smith Junior! Just a minute....(Slam phone down hard, take a leak, or go get a soda out of the fridge, or just make it 3 minutes)...Hello? This is John Smith..(repeat script).

51 posted on 10/01/2003 7:17:12 AM PDT by ctonious
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To: kattracks; All
Want a bunch of crybabies on this thread. Many of you work for companies that only exist because of marketing efforts that include phone solicitations.

Don't want the interruptions? Turn off the phone during dinner. Get caller ID. Let the answering machine screen the calls.

Quit being pansies....

52 posted on 10/01/2003 7:38:53 AM PDT by freebilly
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To: nycgal
>>And just how does that stop the taped sales pitches?<<

BINGO

When it was human beings that I could talk to it was one thing. Now its voice messages. Or dial tones from not being the first to pick up a call from a mass dialer.

I am home all day to receive ALL these calls and we get an average of five calls a day from random sellers. (Then the occassional call from one of my credit cards or other businesses I do deal with that have new services they will conveniently bill to the credit card they already have the number of.)

You can't tell these people to put you on their DNC list cause there is no person to tell.

And even if you DO get a person to talk to they hang up so dang fast that you can't get ALL the info you need to actually go after them months later when they violate your request and call you back. I tried to get my monetary reward from MCI once and they laughed at me "When did you tell us to put you on our list?" I had no proof cause they hang up the second you say that ( usually like rude huffy little punks too.)

Telemarketers are (hopefully) finally getting what they deserve and I really don't care if tens of thousands of people now go unemployed- maybe they should have played the game smarter and not pee'd of 50 million plus people over and over and over.
53 posted on 10/01/2003 7:54:10 AM PDT by kancel
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To: freebilly
Want a bunch of crybabies on this thread.

What a bunch of selfish pricks that don't care what anyone alse wants to put up with in their own home.

How about my sister and brother-in-law... He works late-late shift and won't turn off the phone because his dad is very ill, and he wants to be available in case they need him right away.

Caller ID doesn't do them much good, because he has to wake up and get out of bed to check who's calling.

If having your time and property confiscated for someone else's commercial enterprise doesn't bother you, or you don't mind turning your phone off, then that's fine. Nobody's MAKING you do the DNC list.

54 posted on 10/01/2003 7:54:39 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: varon
Hanging up accomplishes the same thing and saves on having to buy an air horn ;-)

Not nearly as much fun.

55 posted on 10/01/2003 8:39:04 AM PDT by BJungNan
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To: TontoKowalski
I don't think the first amendment guarantees an audience to anyone.

As the "talent on loan from God" has often said: ~ You have the right to speak...not to be heard ;^)

56 posted on 10/01/2003 4:35:11 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: Salo
There is no right to commercial free speech. The thing to do with this list is make it opt-in..."

I believe it is, Salo; which makes the court's decision all the more infuriating.

57 posted on 10/01/2003 4:38:09 PM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: TontoKowalski
I've a cell phone next to my bed. I only answer calls on my cell phone after hours from callers I recognize. Everyone else leaves messages.
58 posted on 10/01/2003 4:38:19 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: TontoKowalski
How about my sister and brother-in-law... He works late-late shift and won't turn off the phone because his dad is very ill, and he wants to be available in case they need him right away.

Yeah, let's make a law that impacts every business in America for the benefit of your brother-in-law.

59 posted on 10/01/2003 4:47:28 PM PDT by freebilly
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To: freebilly
Response to myself--

freebilly, don't you know that the most important thing the feds can do is make sure that telemarketers aren't calling homeowners at dinnertime?

Don't you know that the 6 million or so illegal, undocumented, immigrants-- who are being given the right to hold drivers' licenses in state after state (i.e., they will be allowed to vote)-- are less of a problem currently than telemarketers are?

Aren't you aware that allowing Islamists in the military is nothing compared to freedom from telemarketing terror?

Can't you see that the average citizen, who works 40%-50% of his time to pay taxes, has nothing better to complain about than Aluminum Siding Salesmen violating their phone space?

35%-40% of our infants are murdered in the womb, but this is less of a concern to America than having to pick up the phone to listen to a pitch for Time-Shares.

Hey, gay marriage? No problem! Domestic partner benefits for Mr John Jones and Mrs Bob Jones! Hey, no problem! The Kirby Vacuum guy tries to make a buck and book an appointment? Big problem!

Gee, with so few real problems to focus on in this country, let's tackle the real problems facing us-- second-hand smoke, hate speech, & telemarketers.

60 posted on 10/01/2003 5:29:06 PM PDT by freebilly
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