'Free staters' pick New Hampshire to liberate for sex, guns and drugs

Guardian ^ | October 1, 2003 | Joanna Walters

[robertpaulsen]

"Leaders would also do away with ... most taxes. And going to change the state motto to: Live Almost Free or Die.

[CSM]

"Small 'l' not big 'L' libertarians."

Please enlighten me as to the meaning of this.......

I am not questioning or demonizing this effort, I am just curious if there is enough employment to go around.

Keep in mind that I agree with everything I have read about the philosophy.....

[Protagoras]

If they wanted to do that, they could just move to San Fransisco -- it has a better climate.

Or,,,they could just stay home. Anyone in the country who wants to obtain and smoke dope can already do so. The WOD is an abject failure at stopping drug use. And a true success at violating the rights of the citizens.

[archy]

It would be really funny if, say, Montana were chosen. Oops. Kinda like declaring Gore president at 8:00 ... oh, wait, they did that too, didn't they.

Oh, serious, professional newspapers never make mistakes like that, just cheap tabloid rags.

[Wolfie]

Or,,,they could just stay home.

Well, I'm certainly not going to pick up and move from a decrim state to New Hampshire in the hopes that one day they might decrim too.

[archy]

"Small 'l' not big 'L' libertarians."

Please enlighten me as to the meaning of this.......

A lot of us, probably a majority, are not Libertarian Party members, but agree with at least some general libertarian principles or platforms. I consider myself neither a libertarian nor a Libertarian [nor, particularly, a librarian nor a libertine!] but I figure they'll make better neighbors than a lot I could choose or a lot I've known.

-archy-/-

[robertpaulsen]

So you're saying Washington, DC should have been chosen because the Free Staters would be that much ahead?

[Beenliedto]

At the local Dennys, there was to be a meeting of all the people who were gonna move. Half the people refused to attend because the meeting was statist and the other half were to too stoned to make it.

[CSM]

Thanks for that clarification. Very helpful. I have to classify myself as a little l.

[archy]

The article had it right: "... fringe cult fantasies of a disorganised shower of anarchists and internet geeks." Reminds me of the commandos enacting a resolution in Life of Brian....

Or those rediculous Republicans, thinking that they could ever replace the Whigs as a dominent member of the two-party system. Or those cultish Mormons, daring to defy man's laws for their religious beliefs, and moving to Utah.

And, come to think of it, though Teddy Roosevelt's Bull Moose independents never achieved victory in a national evection, they drove the Republicans into a particularly disappointing third place finish. That too might be something to keep in mind as the porcupine presence makes itself known in a state where a lot of folks watch their state's primary results with more than the usual nervousness.

-archy-/-

[Protagoras]

And WHERE does he think freedom is greater?

He thinks it might be in New Hampshire if the people do what they say they will.

[archy]

Thanks for that clarification. Very helpful. I have to classify myself as a little l.

I don't mind those who so classify me, as it puts me in the company of the late Robert A. Heinlein and freeper Mark *Laissezfirearm* Penman, among others. But I don't follow the Libertarian non-agression principle espoused by many libertarians as well, and I probably fit the mold of either poorly. But as I said, they'll do for neighbors.

-archy-/-

[SevenDaysInMay]

Foothold politics is the wave of the future in this now Balkanized USA.

The anti-American, hispanic criminal conspiracy such as the on-going Reconquista invasion and the PR myth of of Aztlan, are well under way, likely to succeed because of Motor Voter registration fraud strenngthened by drivers license IDs for criminal aliens. Hispanic racists' movements, such as La Raza and Gray Davis' 2nd, Cruz Busty, are popular if seditious and treasonous in this time of war.

Muslims will concentrate their expanding, self-imposed, armed ghetto communities to obtain locks on elected officials. Local, state, and federal offices are to be voted by concentrating that minorities' vote.

Our federal government for 4 generations has been increasingly unlawfully usurping our RATIFIED Constitution violating individual and state rights to consolodate federal powers. Under FDR, socialist statists got a foothold on usurping our Ratified Constitution. Especially under C.J. Rhenquist, the Statists' required doctrine of the "living" Constitution to manage government's power needs is reinterpreting our RATIFIED Bill of Rights, despite what our Constitution actually states. Through the self-important judicial doctrine of Stare Decisis, statists build upon usurped, bad to unConstitutional agendas. Bench rulings, court rule by judicial fiat and passive Congresses, establishes agenda driven, expanding unConstitutional "compelling State interests" unlawfully nullifying the very social contract from which the courts derive any and all of their lawful authority.

Liberty under ratified Constitution's limited government powers is a movement long under attack in America, but that which created Akmerica. Free peoples like Mexicans and muslims are voting with their feet and money. Free peoples will too, unless it is too late.

[Protagoras]

I am not questioning or demonizing this effort, I am just curious if there is enough employment to go around.

Free people tend to create businesses and their own jobs. If the State cut the taxes and regulations significantly, businesses and job seekers would flock there over time.

BTW, small "L" libertarian means the philosophy , large "L" Libertarians are members of a certain political party of that name.

[ArneFufkin]

Political sceptics have dismissed the project as the fringe cult fantasies of a disorganised shower of anarchists and internet geeks.

Sounds like LewRockwell.com

[Hemingway's Ghost]

If it isn't handled with a lot of skill, the newcomers may discover that the pre-existing residents will oppose them out of sheer spite.

ESPECIALLY in a place like Cow Hampshire. More than a few stone-faced Yankees up there.

[archy]

I am not questioning or demonizing this effort, I am just curious if there is enough employment to go around.

Keep in mind that I agree with everything I have read about the philosophy.....

Well, for one thing, there are going to be 20,000- probably MANY more- new customers. And they're not all arriving at once; some are already there, some have pledged to move within 30 days [as I would have had the choice been Wyoming, Montana or South Dakota; I have land in that area and immediate contacts for housing and job prospects in the nearby states] and others will arrive in dribs and drabs, hopefully mostly before the 2008 election- though they can arrive the day of the election and vote, under current state law, at least.

Some will bring innovative jobs possibilities not yet considered in the Granite State; some are involved in possible joint efforts with businessmen already there; some essentially *work* from the internet or other means of telecommunication and can do so from most anywhere, and others are employed in the skills and trades useful and needed anywhere: mechanics, doctors, nurses, veterinarians, firemen, barbers, florists, and yes, there are libertarian government employees who from what I've seen really try to stress the service part of their public service. I bet they find places to ply their trades; there's already talk of a municipality of *porcupineville*. Now we know exactly what the state laws and other requirements for setting up such a small town will be; it may happen and it may not.

But it oughta be interesting.

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[ArneFufkin]

I checked with Otis in Andy Taylor's jail, he doesn't want y'all either.

[Squantos]

You're right, it's degenerated already into sex and drugs...........Only if you believe what the presstitutes want you to about the FSP. There will be a few that put the engine block back in the tree and run around nekid (in the summer I suspect) but the majority of the FSP folks are constitutional purists I believe. Not as much libertarian as again the presstitutes want you to believe.

The polidiots and presstitutes will be disinformational at best when they speak of the FSP.

Just my opinion of course.......Stay Safe !

[WhiteGuy]

"I specified on my membership form that I would move when they had legalised the cultivation of marijuana. I'm hoping that this will be one of the first things on their agenda..."


Ok, whichever one of you libertarian Freepers who is quoted here please identify yourself.

Perhaps law enforcement in the "free state" will concentrate on arrest, conviction, and incarceration of violent criminals instead of wasting resources tracking down aging hippies with dope in their gardens........