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Conceal & Carry Gun Laws: Preserving or Eroding Freedom?
Armed Females of America (guest editorial) ^ | 29 September 2003 | Mike Ferguson

Posted on 09/29/2003 5:35:49 PM PDT by 45Auto

Forty four states now have some form of so-called "Conceal and Carry" gun laws. Proponents of these laws often brag that the laws allow law-abiding citizens to carry concealed weapons and protect Second Amendment freedoms. Opponents of these laws decry them as a threat to "public safety".

Missouri is now among the states with a conceal and carry law going into effect after the State Legislature overrode a veto from our Democratic governor. The bill (HB 349) was introduced after the plan was voted down on a statewide referendum.

Among the details of Missouri's new gun law are the requirement of a permit to be issued by the local sheriff after fingerprinting and registering the applicant, a background check to be completed, a $100 fee to be paid, a state-mandated training course, a minimum age of 23 to apply for the permit and a designation on the permit-holder's drivers license.

A Republican State Representative, who happens to be a long-time friend of mine, wrote about the new law in a recent email update he sends to his constituents. He accurately described the new law as "...a compromise between supporting Second Amendment rights and the apprehensions of opponents to conceal and carry." I appreciate his honesty and candor on this issue, for Missouri's new law is just that: a compromise of Second Amendment rights.

While many gun rights activists and conservatives hail the law as a step in the right direction for freedom, I must say that I see the law as a step in the opposite direction. I agree that some ability to exercise Second Amendment freedoms is better than the ban we had before, but it is a step towards Australian and Canadian style gun control and will likely only delay the inevitable effort of government to confiscate (disarm) all citizens.

First, conceal and carry laws recognize the government's ability to regulate Constitutionally-guaranteed freedoms. The Second Amendment specifically states that "the people" have an absolute right to "keep (own) and bear (carry) arms". Those who claim the Second Amendment only applies to state military units, like the National Guard, are either mistaken about the language of the Constitution or are simply outright lying about the Constitution in order to proceed with citizen disarmament.

Every other time "the people" or "person" is used in the Constitution, it clearly refers to individuals and individual rights. The entire Bill of Rights is designed to protect individual freedom from government. To say that the Second Amendment is somehow an exception to both of these aspects of the Constitution or that the meaning of the language is somehow different on this one issue is either extreme ignorance or outright dishonesty.

Another good friend of mine, Michael Badnarik, has spent over 20 years studying the Constitution and it's history. He teaches a class called "Introduction to the Constitution" around the country professionally. Mr. Badnarik regularly points out what should be obvious: that a right is something you do not have to ask permission for, as opposed to a privilege which is granted by an authority and can be revoked by that same authority.

Tragically, conceal and carry laws show how many individuals are willing to give up personal rights and freedoms by accepting the government's conversion of them to revocable privileges.

Requiring those who wish to exercise their Second Amendment rights to be tracked, fingerprinted like criminal suspects and approved before allowing them to carry a gun tramples the Constitution and sets up our society for the gun confiscations that people in other countries, including Canada, have endured.

The conceal and carry debate is also a prime example of the difference between Libertarians and both of the major political parties.

Democrats generally are hostile to the Second Amendment, often citing "public safety" concerns. The political left demands that you place your life in the hands of government and rely on police protection in times of emergency. In exchange for this government protection they want your Second Amendment rights.

Libertarians, by comparison, are concerned with personal safety. Libertarians understand that you have a basic human right to protect yourself and that the government is incapable of protecting individuals on a mass scale.

Here is a personal example. About six years ago I was robbed at gunpoint about ten feet in front of the door to my apartment building. The thug who robbed me got a leather jacket and about $15 in cash. The complete ban on concealed guns for citizens at that time certainly did nothing to prevent the criminal from holding a revolver to my forehead, but it did prevent me from legally having a means to protect myself. I had no option to defend myself; I was forced to rely on the hope that the robber would choose to not pull the trigger. By the grace of God, he didn't and I am still alive today.

The police arrived within minutes of the crime, after I called them. They caught the robber nearly five years later. He was convicted and is now serving a lengthy prison sentence. No one but the criminal knows how many people he robbed in the meantime. Despite the excellent detective and prosecution work after the crime occurred, the fact remains that the government was incapable of protecting my life when I needed it. The government did, however, prevent me from obtaining the means to protect myself by denying my Second Amendment rights to me.

This issue also demonstrates the difference between Libertarians and Republicans as well.

The Republicans who supported and gained enough votes to override the conceal and carry veto in Missouri most likely feel they were preserving freedom. However, they have no problem requiring citizens to pay $100 just for the their Second Amendment rights. These conservatives have no problem enrolling anyone who wishes to exercise their rights into a statewide government database to track them and they have no problem with denying adults between the ages of 18 and 22 their rights under any circumstances.

These are the compromises of the Second Amendment my friend in the Legislature referred to.

Libertarians, on the other hand, would never compromise personal freedom, especially an element of the Bill of Rights. Libertarians recognize that freedom and rights are absolute and should never be put up for a vote.

Conceal and carry laws do not complement the Second Amendment, they erode it. Regulations and tracking of individuals do not enhance freedom, they decimate it.

Freedom is indivisible. Either we have Second Amendment rights or we do not. There is no in between. We, the people, have a right guaranteed by the Constitution to keep and bear arms. The government has no authority to infringe on that right, no matter how trivial or appealing the restrictions may seem.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism
KEYWORDS: 2amd; bang; banglist; ccw; rkba
I know, its a libertarian rant; but it still makes sense.

"conceal and carry laws show how many individuals are willing to give up personal rights and freedoms by accepting the government's conversion of them to revocable privileges."

"Requiring those who wish to exercise their Second ....Amendment rights to be tracked, fingerprinted like criminal suspects and approved before allowing them to carry a gun tramples the Constitution and sets up our society for the gun confiscations..."

1 posted on 09/29/2003 5:35:50 PM PDT by 45Auto
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To: *bang_list
Click the Gadsden flag for pro-gun resources!
2 posted on 09/29/2003 5:40:51 PM PDT by Joe Brower ("How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!" -- Samuel Adams)
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To: 45Auto
Amazing. After all our hard work, efforts and $$, people are bitching. NRA spent $3.2 million in 1999 trying to get Prop B passed. We failed due to the St.L "machine." We didn't give up.We worked to get Republican, pro-gun candidates elected. Some got elected by merely 100 and some votes.They successfully overrode Governor "throw me a party" Holden's veto. Sen. Dolan (Army officer)is now in trouble for flying home from Gitmo to cast his work in favor of override. Others-the Sen. from St.L area who voted with Republicans this time around have placed their political career in jeopardy.

And people are whining? Hey, if you don't want to be fingerprinted? Don't join the military. Don't become an LEO. Don't work for an intelligence agency or any job subjected to a full-field investigation. Don't get a government job. Don't work for a contractor that does work for the government. And don't cash a check.

All of us want a "Vermont style carry" law. But it ain't gonna happen overnight. But it is coming to Missouri-just as it recently came to Alaska.

As for the $100 fee? Get a part-time job at Mickey Ds'. Work one weekend and quit. Work a day or two of OT. Or wait until Republicans reduce it to $50.

If you purchase a hand gun (legally), the authorites already know who you are.

If a person this finds this law objectionable? Just wait. This is only step one...

3 posted on 09/29/2003 5:56:31 PM PDT by donozark
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To: 45Auto
He teaches a class called "Introduction to the Constitution" around the country professionally. Mr. Badnarik regularly points out what should be obvious: that a right is something you do not have to ask permission for, as opposed to a privilege which is granted by an authority and can be revoked by that same authority.

No offence to Mr Badnarik, but he should be unemployed, and would be if the government indoctrination centers were what they are called, public schools.

4 posted on 09/29/2003 5:59:16 PM PDT by StriperSniper (The slippery slope is getting steeper.)
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To: 45Auto; MeeknMing; Chad Fairbanks; Ragtime Cowgirl; DoughtyOne; Alamo-Girl; Tamsey; PhilDragoo; ...



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5 posted on 09/29/2003 6:03:34 PM PDT by autoresponder (go ahead - add some expresso to the Yukon Jack!)
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To: donozark
Yappy little dogs sitting on the sidelines.

I don't think Alaska would have had a Vermont style if they hadn't a "Shall Issue" in the first place.

I would also like to remind the author that a lot of the states don't have any gun rights amendments in their Constitutions and it would take a USSC ruling to change that. Unless we can get at least one more conservative on the bench, we wouldn't like the results if we push a ruling now.

I think we can safely say that this article was a commercial brought to you by the fine folks of the Libertarian Party.
6 posted on 09/29/2003 8:27:56 PM PDT by Shooter 2.5 (Don't punch holes in the lifeboat.)
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To: autoresponder
"... HOLDING DOWN "RETURN" SHOULD FREEZE ACTION ..."

Nice try. Cool profile page, pal..........FRegards

7 posted on 09/29/2003 8:41:44 PM PDT by gonzo ( Free Republic - 'You can check-out any time you like, but you can never leave'........)
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To: Shooter 2.5
Yes. Very disappointed in author's conclusions. Those of us actually in the arena are quite pleased with our accomplishment. Is it all we hoped for? Of course not. But it is MUCH better than what we had-which was nothing.

The alliances formed, friendships made, email contacts, etc. have firmly established gun-owners in Missouri as a force to be reckoned with. Only pols in deepest urban areas can escape our wrath at election time. If any of the rest double-cross us? Out they go.

I met several Libertarians over the years who really put forth an effort to pass CCW legislation in Missouri. Another reason to be upset with author. While he writes a fine philosophical discussion of Constitutional aspects of CCW Laws, he fails to address the reality of the situation.

Author also says nothing about the other vetos we overrode. Protection of gun manufacturers from frivolous law suits. Missouri is now counted among those with such protections. I do not know exact number , but we are there.

It always amazes me at how many nitpick AFTER the fact. Where were they when we were fighting the Democrat "machine" from St.L? Nowhere. Yet members of NRA, GOA, Western Missouri Shooters Alliance, MOCCW.ORG, etal were all over the state, in one form or another working to get this passed. I view this article as a stab in the back to all these fine people. And as stated, the law, as passed, can and will be "adjusted" in years to come...

8 posted on 09/30/2003 5:28:25 AM PDT by donozark
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To: Joe Brower; Travis McGee; wardaddy; All
I don't know how post directly. Could someone post this hyperlink about the proposed NICS enhancement to include mental health records. Dingle is a sponsor, apparently.
http://www.gunowners.org/a093003.htm
9 posted on 09/30/2003 9:40:58 AM PDT by neverdem (Say a prayer for New York both for it's lefty statism and the probability the city will be hit again)
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To: neverdem
Looks to me like you managed it just fine.
10 posted on 09/30/2003 11:22:22 AM PDT by Joe Brower ("How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!" -- Samuel Adams)
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To: Joe Brower
I meant for someone grab that link and post it as a story on "News/Activism latest threads" for folks who don't know to find the "*Bang_List" yet. I'm have a lot of other things I have to do before I can play in the HTML Sandbox. The story was in email in my hotmail. Sometimes I check GOA everyday. Lately, I haven't.
11 posted on 09/30/2003 12:30:20 PM PDT by neverdem (Say a prayer for New York both for it's lefty statism and the probability the city will be hit again)
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To: Joe Brower
BTW, where did you find that quote from Sam Adams?
12 posted on 09/30/2003 12:36:20 PM PDT by neverdem (Say a prayer for New York both for it's lefty statism and the probability the city will be hit again)
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To: neverdem
The quote from Sam Adams? I can't remember now, although it's one of his better known phrases.
13 posted on 09/30/2003 1:27:12 PM PDT by Joe Brower ("How strangely will the Tools of a Tyrant pervert the plain Meaning of Words!" -- Samuel Adams)
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