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Schwarzenegger Gets My Vote
Fox News ^ | September 27, 2003 | Dennis Miller

Posted on 09/27/2003 11:25:10 PM PDT by buzzyboop

Edited on 04/22/2004 12:37:18 AM PDT by Jim Robinson. [history]

Hey, get this...I want to talk about this Wednesday

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TOPICS: Editorial; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: bustamante; bustamove; california; cruz; dennismiller; endorsement; green; mcclintock; schwarzenegger
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To: McGavin999
A chance for the position of

Chief Egotist sacrificing the group for simple bullheaded vanity and blindness.
81 posted on 09/28/2003 7:54:32 AM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: buzzyboop
Tick, Tock
Time runs out
for McClintock.
If he can't win,
then none of us wins.
We'll suffer under Davis again.
But, hey, Arnold's my man.
He'll boot Davis/Bustamante in the can.
82 posted on 09/28/2003 8:18:55 AM PDT by harpo11 (Are we going to sit back and allow PC Zombies to dictate how we live, what we drive, what we say?)
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BTTT
83 posted on 09/28/2003 8:56:26 AM PDT by CheneyChick (Kah-lee-fohr-nyah)
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To: Princeliberty
I think you are misinformed. I heard David Drier on Friday mention that in Arnold's new internal poll's: Recall: Yes 54, No 40, AS 31, CB 26, TM 12. Demo internal polling was similar. McClintock is fading, he will continue to fade and end up with 5-9% and completely marginalize the 'conservative' vote in California politics. McClintock may not get re-elected next year.
84 posted on 09/28/2003 9:02:55 AM PDT by The Vast Right Wing (Some drink from the fountain of knowledge, the French and Germans only gargle)
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To: McGavin999
>>>>>Miller is right on. Here we are just days away from the elections, McClintock is still at 15%, and his supporters are saying he still has a chance. A chance for what?

A chance at puttin Cruz into office.

85 posted on 09/28/2003 9:10:26 AM PDT by Kath (Lubya Dubya)
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To: Reagan Man
>>>>>While Arnie can't win merely by appealing to conservatives, he also can't win unless he does appeal to conservatives. The fault lies with Arnie.

Better check the polls my friend. He is appealing to far more than McClintock is. In fact it is more than double. It will be McClintock's fault. He can't win.

86 posted on 09/28/2003 9:14:09 AM PDT by Kath (Lubya Dubya)
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To: McGavin999
It is like the Alan Keyes supporters...look, if they wouldn't give up on Keyes in the primaries when Keyes was pulling one and two percent, they won't give up on McClintock when he's getting 15%.

Perhaps they think the 15% is the only group that really counts, but I suspect not. I suspect it's simply a "religious" thought process brought into the messy world of politics (not in the sense of any particular religion or belief system, but in the sense that they approach political matters with the same thought process they approach religious matters with). In a religious thought process, there is great glory and even greater victory (in a different realm) from going down to defeat, even unto death, with your "principles" 100% intact -- with absolutely no compromise whatsoever. Taking religious thought processes into politics means that you do not compromise one iota and if it so happens you go down in total flames, hopefully you can take everything down with you like Samson or like the Christians martyred in the Coliseum. Using that sort of thinking, there is virtue in the glorious defeat.

I think that is what we are seeing here, and it is pretty common the further out on the political bell curve you travel (Camejo and his supporters are no less "religious" in their thinking). The bible, for just one example, is chock full of encouragements for forgo compromise -- "if you are lukewarm, I will spit you out".

For me, I don't believe "religious thinking" works well in modern democratic politics, where security, caution and the middle road dominate the selection of governmental leaders. The one who seems most secure, the one who will not change things too drastically, will most often be the one selected by the mass of voters. There is security in sameness, so if you are running "to change" things, to get the votes you need you will need to convince people that yes, you will change this or that, but you won't change everything, you won't be drastic in your prescriptions for change. People don't like to have to deal with new realities, they are comfortable operating in the familiar.

And anyway, most of the McClintock voters who will change will do so without any proding from McClintock himself. Those that are in tune to the election and who think more politically than religiously will move over on their own. As for those who think more religiously, there is nothing in heaven or hell that would make them change anyway.

87 posted on 09/28/2003 9:16:16 AM PDT by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: Princeliberty
>>>>>Arnold's poll had McClintock at 17% so McClintock higher than that and certainly well higher than 15%. The real story is if Cruz wins it will be because of conservatives who wasted their votes on Arnold.

Your reasoning is does not compute. Latest poll has McClintock at 15%. Arnold is double that. That makes McClintock the spoiler no matter how McClintock supporters try to spin it.

88 posted on 09/28/2003 9:18:56 AM PDT by Kath (Lubya Dubya)
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To: Sunsong
>>>>>And if you think that McClintock is NOT responsible for the impact that he has, aren't you also saying that France was NOT responsible for sabotaging the UN resolution for war with Iraq? Isn't this kind of thinking the same kind of thinking that excuses France and places all the "responsibility" on America?

Excellant point!!!!

89 posted on 09/28/2003 9:20:33 AM PDT by Kath (Lubya Dubya)
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To: NittanyLion
How poorly you must think of that "RINO" "non-conservative" Bill Simon for supporting Arnold.
90 posted on 09/28/2003 9:21:08 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: BibChr; EggsAckley; Tamsey; CheneyChick
Dennis Miller Ping.
91 posted on 09/28/2003 9:21:57 AM PDT by LisaAnne
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To: Sunsong
>>>>>Why is McClintock the only person who is not responsible for his impact?

Because McClintock supporters need someone to blame if McClintock lose the election for the Republicans.

92 posted on 09/28/2003 9:23:59 AM PDT by Kath (Lubya Dubya)
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To: Rockitz
As another poster indicated on another thread this morning, if the DNC's last ditch dirt bomb sticks to Arnold within a few days of the election, we may be glad Tom's still in the race. Place your bets- I'll guarantee there's a final shot fired at Arnold with significantly more sting than the Oui article or the allegations of marital infidelity have had.

Exactly. Slime is the only kind of politics Davis understands. We need an emergency back up candidate in case Ahhhnold is "caught in bed with a live boy or a dead woman".

93 posted on 09/28/2003 9:29:57 AM PDT by null and void
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To: NittanyLion
I've noticed an amazing lack of introspection on this site. If Arnold loses it simply can't be his fault - it must be McClintock's. When GHW Bush lost it was all due to Perot

What you just proved is when Republican don't unite behind one canidate they LOSE.

94 posted on 09/28/2003 9:31:50 AM PDT by Kath (Lubya Dubya)
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To: buzzyboop
Yeah, Miller is right.

A no compromise Iconoclast like McClintock can be an asset in the Senate, singing the true conservative song. With Party support he can beat Boxer like a gong.

A no compromise, Iconoclastic figure like McClintock is simply going to be a failure as a Governor, because the State legislature will not give him exactly what he wants on anything. Even if he should win, he won't pass or sign a single piece of legislation during his entire term.

So9

95 posted on 09/28/2003 9:34:13 AM PDT by Servant of the 9 (The voices tell me to stay home and clean the guns.)
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To: Texasforever
How do you top nude photos and a Nazi family member?

Beats me. It should be really entertaining to see what the Davis camp comes up with.

Remember, it doesn't have to be true, it just has to be plausable enough to take a few days to disprove, with planted red herring evidence indicating that it might be true.

DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THE SLIME TEAM!

96 posted on 09/28/2003 9:36:01 AM PDT by null and void
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To: Godebert
All that being said Ahhhhnold is still a huge improvement over the current Governor, and lightyears ahead of Bustamonte.

Not as good as McClintock, but maybe good enough, and certainly a baby step in the right direction.

Kinda like a lane change on the highway to hell, to one lane closer to the off ramp...
97 posted on 09/28/2003 9:45:32 AM PDT by null and void
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To: buzzyboop
Sorry all you John Wayne (McLintock, McClintock, whatever) supporters.. If BustaMove wins this, it will be because of you folks. You will get what you deserve.

Sorry, you have this twisted. If all of you who say "McClintock is the best Candidate, but can't win", would have VOTED for HIM , he would come out on top!!! You will have to accept a Bustamonte win as YOUR FAULT and no one else!!!! Not to mention , it will be the beginning of the end of the Republican Party as you have known it. Expect a MASS EXODUS!!!!!

98 posted on 09/28/2003 9:46:21 AM PDT by pollywog
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To: NittanyLion; Reagan Man
While Arnie can't win merely by appealing to conservatives, he also can't win unless he does appeal to conservatives.

Schwarzenegger is betting that Nixon's famous dictum will not hold true this time around. If he's right, his election will likely evidence a sea change in Republican politics not just at the state level, but nationally. That is what is at stake here.

The social liberals of the Republican Party are gambling that they can recast the Party fundamentally and exclusively in their image by marginalizing and effectively exiling the social conservatives. That explains the Log Cabin/Andrew Sullivan thrall over Arnold Schwarzenegger's candidacy. Feminist Republicans are also anxious to see this done, to ensure the pro-death agenda is made secure not merely at the Democrat level, but at the Republican level as well. They hope to see in an Arnold victory the total collapse of social conservatism as a viable force in the Republican Party beginning in Sacramento but rippling rapidly outward across the entire nation.

Still, this is largely an attempted coup by the big money liberal Republican party elites--not grass roots conservatives. The big money social liberal elites could never hope to bring it off in a normal year in California. But in the bizarre political environment of a recall election--where a mere plurality is all that is needed to bring off a coup-- they see their golden opportunity. They will seek to consolidate their gains, co-opt sufficient pink vote and pro-abort vote from the mushy middle to give them momentum and strength to continue moving left to what has long been their promised land.

Karl Rove is watching this intently. He will have no compunction against moving hard left and abandoning social conservatives if, in his mind, it will yield one marginal vote more.

This recall election IS a defining moment for the Republican Party.

99 posted on 09/28/2003 9:48:53 AM PDT by Kevin Curry
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To: Godebert
How will electing a solid liberal like Arnold give Conservatives a "foot in the door"? On the contrary, electing Arnold will only serve to marginalize Conservatism. This forum was established by Jim Robinson to further Conservative goals, not to defeat them.

Because some people will be voting for an (R) for the first time in their lives. Once that psychological barrier is broken, it will be a bit easier the next time.

We didn't get in this train wreck overnight, and it's going to be a slow process cleaning up the mess. Voting (R)ino is at least admitting there was a train wreck...

100 posted on 09/28/2003 9:50:19 AM PDT by null and void
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