Schwarzenegger Gets My Vote

Fox News ^ | September 27, 2003 | Dennis Miller

[buzzyboop]

Hey, get this...I want to talk about this Wednesday

[RichInOC]

How do you top nude photos and a Nazi family member?

As Edwin Edwards would undoubtedly put it...you'd have to catch Arnold in bed with a dead woman or a live boy.

[Bonaparte]

I expect that McClintock will put out signals along the lines you suggest, but not nearly in that form -- it would be tantamount to an endorsement.

"I hope they both can get beyond them."

When Wilson stops being a liberal in an elephant suit, they will. :-)

[Brian Allen]

[You are] << Sorry all you John Wayne (McLintock, McClintock, whatever) supporters .. If BustaMove wins this, it will be because of you folks. You will get what you deserve. >>

And those of US who are REPUBLICANS will suffer.

[For the short time it takes US to pack and leave the state in the state your Bustemantal-boosting insanity will have caused]

[nickcarraway]

I didn't say anything about McClintock one way or the other. I was just saying that Schwarzenegger never tried to ``lock up his base.'' (If, in fact, they are his base) Whatever they are, he never did it. And if McClintock didn't exist, he still would be in the same position. Learn from President Bush.

[nickcarraway]

I live in California. Last year, Bill Simon lost to Gray Davis by less then 5% of the vote. The total number of illegal votes was over 5% (in some counties it was 37%) The state GOP here did not back Simon because he wasn't their chosen guy. The state GOP hurt his campaign big time. Some of the big shots even started a group ``Republicans for Davis.'' Whenever I pointed this out to anyone, I was told it was all Simon's fault and that no one else is to blame except the candidate himself. So why should it be any different from Schwarzenegger?

And as a post script, I called up my county GOP offices and volunteered. They gave me all the material, but they told me not to bother campaigning for Bill Simon and Tom McClintock actually. They said they were really trying for Bruce McPherson and not to worry about the rest, That sgould tell you something about the GOP in this state.

[nickcarraway]

I don't think Schwarzenegger is 100% responsible. The state GOP has caused a lot of these problems by continually giving the finger to Republican voters in the state. The reason I criticize Schwarzenegger is that I don't think he has done what it takes to get those votes. I don't think it would take a Herculean effort. If I was his campaign manager I think I could figure it out. A lot of campaign managers could. But Schwarzenegger hasn't done this, so I guess he doesn't think he needs those votes. But that's his decision. He could go out there and win them over.

[wolficatZ]

The video is definitely a "keeper"

http://66.230.216.3/092603/views_miller_092603_300.wmv

[Princeliberty]

No this is Arnold "new" poll.

Actually the newest poll beside that Arnold poll
was over a week ago.
And it showed McClintock at 18%

15% was what he had in the PRI which is now
a week and half to two weeks old but
that showed him up form 5% form her previous poll.

McClintock has never dropped in a poll this entire
campaign.

[Sunsong]

"I was just saying that Schwarzenegger never tried to ``lock up his base.'' (If, in fact, they are his base) Whatever they are, he never did it. And if McClintock didn't exist, he still would be in the same position. Learn from President Bush."

I see. I don't think that Arnold ever had a base :-)

And I also don't agree with you that if McClintock didn't exist, Arnold would still be in the same position. I think it is obvious that that is not true. That's why people want McClintock to either withdraw, or if he can't do that because he can't break his word, then let people know that he expects them to vote for Arnold.

I do agree with you that there is much to learn from President Bush. I am so grateful that he is President. And there have been a lot of times that I have admired his choices and his manner. But this election is in California :-)... land of fruits and nuts :-)

Politics is the art of the possible. And Arnold is "possible" in California. McClintock is not. At least not this year. The so-called "base" has a responsiblity too. They have a responsiblity, imo, to make their voting decisions based on reality, based on what is possible. They are responsible for their impact just like everyone else is. If the "base" of the republican party in California is so selfish that they really would punish the entire state and all the millions of people living there because they weren't offered exactly what they wanted -- then I wonder if they really are "the base"?

But that still doesn't answer the question -- what responsibility does McClintock have for his impact? McClintock is a player in this race and what he does and says matters. Where is his responsibility?

[Princeliberty]

He is not a fiscal conservative his advisers
all tax increasing lovers like Warren Buffet
and Wilson and the gang.

He already said he may raise taxes in an "emergency"
and I am sure the huge red ink in the budget will
end up being such an emergency to justify
the largest tax increase in the history of the state.

[Sunsong]

"I live in California. Last year, Bill Simon lost to Gray Davis by less then 5% of the vote. The total number of illegal votes was over 5% (in some counties it was 37%) The state GOP here did not back Simon because he wasn't their chosen guy. The state GOP hurt his campaign big time. Some of the big shots even started a group ``Republicans for Davis.'' Whenever I pointed this out to anyone, I was told it was all Simon's fault and that no one else is to blame except the candidate himself. So why should it be any different from Schwarzenegger?"

I live in Utah. The State GOP here has its faults as well. Believe me :-)

I am not aware of the lack of GOP support for Simon. From here it looked like he didn't run a very good campaign. From here it looked like he didn't connect with the majority of voters. In other words, it looked like he didn't do the very thing that you are saying that Arnold should do -- do what it takes to win.

I think that Arnold is running in a way that he thinks will win the election And he has to consider the possiblity that McClintock will play the role of spoiler and he needs to compensate for that.

But I guess my question for you is -- given the situation - given that Simon lost last year -- given that Arnold has a chance of winning and McClintock doesn't -- why not pull out the stops and go for the win? Why not try to effect a real, positive change -- even if it is less than perfect. Why not help?

I guess I can understand why you are disenchanted with the State GOP and think that Arnold should be held to the same standard as Simon -- but the election is days away. The stakes are high. Why not go for change? Why not go for someone who can improve the situation there -- even if it's less than what you want?

[tiamat]

buzzyboop wrote:

The problem with (some) conservatives is that we want all the pie, or none at all. Liberals, on the other hand, will accept partial victories if it contributes to their overall aims. Look at the polls. Arnie's fault? No way in Hades, sir!

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You are right.

Or they get so stuck on one issue that they will not consider anyone who doesn't wholeheartedly support that issue.

I guess these people consider it to be "selling out" to vote for a candidate who is not perfect.

Conservatives need to be more pragmatic and remember that "politics is the art of the possible".

Arnold may not make some folks happy. McClintock may BE the better conservative. But Arnold is the guy who can win, and with that, conservatives get a foot in the door in a place that badly needs a conservative influence.

Tia

[Cincinatus' Wife]

Bump!

[AmericaUnited]

While Arnie can't win merely by appealing to conservatives, he also can't win unless he does appeal to conservatives.

Guess what? He can, will and is.

[Godebert]

"Sorry all you John Wayne (McLintock, McClintock, whatever) supporters.. If BustaMove wins this, it will be because of you folks. You will get what you deserve."

The DNC putting Arnold in the Kalifornia recall race was brilliant. That little (r) before his name has made you and your ilk all giddy. No buzzyboop....if Arnold wins, YOU will get what you deserve.

Arnold Schwarzenegger's views in his own words:

Pro Gun Control

• "I'm for gun control. I'm a peace-loving guy." (Time magazine cover story, Aug 18, 2003) When interviewed on the issues by Sean Hannity on August 27th, Schwarzenegger admitted that he is for gun control. He said he supported both the Brady Bill and the ban on so-called "assault weapons." He said, "Also I would like to close the loophole of the gun shows." When asked by the Sacramento Bee to detail his positions on gun issues (scroll down), Arnold stated that he supports legislation to ban .50-caliber rifles, force gun buyers to pass a state-defined test in order to purchase a handgun, and require load indicators or magazine safety disconnects on new semiauto handguns.
• Pro Abortion
  Schwarzenegger appeared on FoxNews' "Bill O'Reilly" program in May 2001 and said he disagreed with President Bush's pro-life position. "I'm for choice," Schwarzenegger said on the program. "The women should have the choice. The women should decide what they want to do with their bodies. I'm all for that." When interviewed on the issues by Sean Hannity on August 27th, Schwarzenegger admitted again that he is "pro-choice".
• Pro Gay Agenda
  From Cosmopolitan magazine, "I have no sexual standards in my head that say this is good or this is bad. Homosexual-that only means to me that he enjoys sex with a man and I enjoy sex with a woman. It's all legitimate to me." He also supports gay adoption, despite the fact that both conservative Republicans and moderate Democrats voted by a 61 percent margin for Proposition 22, the Defense of Marriage Initiative, which defined marriage as that between a man and a woman. (Newsmax, 28 July 2003)
  When interviewed on the issues by Sean Hannity on August 27th, Schwarzenegger admitted that he is for legalized "domestic partnerships" which would give gay couples the same benefits as marriage.
• Pro Big Government Programs
  Regarding the passage of Proposition 49, a big government social scheme providing funds for after school programs: "Every California child deserves access to a proven, quality, life-changing afterschool program, and now they will have it. My hope is that, as goes California, so goes the rest of our nation." When interviewed on the issues by Sean Hannity on August 27th, Schwarzenegger said that he believes that social programs should be focused on children. He said, "I think the important thing, again, is that we work on education and really make sure that the kids have the first run at our treasury."
  In the same interview with Hannity, Schwarzenegger said that he supports big government programs to buy back leases as a measure to protect the environment. He said, "I think that our state government and our federal government should negotiate to buy back the leases [from the oil companies.]"
  
• Pro Environmentalist Agenda
  When a reporter asked him in early August to detail his positions on the environment, he said "I will fight for the environment. Nothing to worry about."
  When interviewed on the issues by Sean Hannity on August 27th, Schwarzenegger said he did not support offshore oil drilling. He said, "No, absolutely not. I think that we should stop the oil drilling and I think that our state government and our federal government should negotiate to buy back the leases [from the oil companies.]"
  
• Pro Clinton/Anti Impeachment
  In 1999, Schwarzenegger told George magazine of his bitterness about the frenzy over Monica Lewinsky and Bill Clinton and the waste of time and energy it represented. "That was another thing I will never forgive the Republican Party for," he said. "I was ashamed to call myself a Republican during that period."
  
• Soft on Illegal Immigration
  In a radio interview with KABC radio host Larry Elder on August 27th, Schwarzenegger said that allowing illegal immigrants to stay in the United States is "the right thing to do." Last year, while campaigning for his Prop. 49 after-school programs initiative, Schwarzenegger...declared in answer to a question from the audience: "I would never stand in the way of any child going to school, whether he or she is here legally or illegally, it does not matter." (Sacramento Bee, 24 August)

No buzzyboop....if Arnold wins, YOU will get what you deserve.

[Godebert]

"You are right. Or they get so stuck on one issue that they will not consider anyone who doesn't wholeheartedly support that issue."

One issue? Arnold is liberal on every single core Conservative issue.

"I guess these people consider it to be "selling out" to vote for a candidate who is not perfect."

No...we Conservatives consider it "selling out" to vote for a liberal just because he has a small (r) in front of his name.

Conservatives need to be more pragmatic and remember that "politics is the art of the possible".

No....Conservatives just need to be Conservative.

"Arnold may not make some folks happy. McClintock may BE the better conservative. But Arnold is the guy who can win, and with that, conservatives get a foot in the door in a place that badly needs a conservative influence. Tia"

How will electing a solid liberal like Arnold give Conservatives a "foot in the door"? On the contrary, electing Arnold will only serve to marginalize Conservatism. This forum was established by Jim Robinson to further Conservative goals, not to defeat them.

[Zipporah]

Thanks for posting the video of Miller.. makes some excellent points. Miller is right re McClintock and taking on Boxer. She needs to go.

[Katya]

Most of us who call themselves Libertarians, regularly pull the lever based on the lesser of two evils....we tend to be a pragmatic folk. Yet, those on the idealistic right are unwilling to fight the real war. All or nothing strategies offer a 50% chance of nothing.
Here in Maryland we finally elected a Republican for Governor...yup, he had to run towards the middle. Some states are Never going to see the light of a true right winger again, because of the shift in demographics. However, you can influence rightward thinking incrementally.

But I'm not holding my breath...idealists are always full of indignations.

[dalebert]

Go Arnold!!!!

[CheneyChick]

You make less and less sense every day.