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The Ice Age Cometh?
WeatherBug Meteorologist, ^ | 8AM EDT, September 26, 2003 | By Justin Consor

Posted on 09/27/2003 7:50:35 AM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner

Do abrupt climate shifts occur as part of a natural cycle? Despite growing evidence that humans affect climate via urbanization and greenhouse gas emissions, the natural climate cycle may have the final say.

Research from Dr. Stefan Rahmstorf at Germany`s Potsdam Institute for Climate Impact Research suggests that the earth`s climate is characterized by an extraordinarily regular cycle of about 1470 years.

He found that the five most recent cycles had a standard deviation of only 32 years.

Rahmstorf examined ice cores from Greenland. Going back before the 20th century, when weather stations were nonexistent or widely dispersed, ice cores and tree rings provide the most objective and reliable climate record.

Rahmstorf also found that the most recent cold period of the cycle was most likely the "Little Ice Age" of the 16th to 18th Centuries.

These findings suggest that the warming of the past century or so is probably nothing more than the next phase of this repeating pattern of cyclical warming and cooling.

Recent observations and forecast models suggest that the current warming may be the engine to spur rapid global cooling.

Ocean scientists have found that some of the largest rivers in the world are dumping 7% less fresh water into the Arctic Ocean than they did in the 1930s.

According to scientists at the Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution, decreased fresh water flow has the potential to shut down a global water flow pattern called the thermohaline circulation.

In its current state, the thermohaline circulation brings cold, deep, salty water south from the poles, while warm surface water moves from the tropics toward the poles. If the circulation were to shut off, abrupt cooling would likely spread through much of the northern Hemisphere, including Europe and the U.S.

This scenario has caused temperatures to plummet an average of 5 to 10 degrees in 20 years in the past. 11,000 years ago, such global cooling occurred and glaciers were seen in much of the northern U.S.

Photo Credit: NOAA Photo Library. The Ross Ice Shelf looms over the Bay of Whales. It was here that Roald Amundsen staged the first successful assault on the South Pole.

What do you think of this story?


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I remember the ice age warnings from my youth, before the global warming trend got cooking.

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1 posted on 09/27/2003 7:50:36 AM PDT by Forgiven_Sinner
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
It's high time to tap the oil reserves on the north shore of Alaska now.

When we need the fuel to keep us warm it will be too late.

The fable of the ants and the grasshopper is as relevent today than ever.

50 years from now, half of the people in Canada will begin migrating south.

Those of you young enough might remember my prediction.

2 posted on 09/27/2003 8:00:33 AM PDT by CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
We are rotating around the Sun at approx. 67,000 miles per hour! And the Eath is spinning around and around at about 1,000 miles per hour (at the equator).

We are all going to die at any second!

3 posted on 09/27/2003 8:02:04 AM PDT by isthisnickcool (Guns!)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Despite growing evidence that humans affect climate via urbanization and greenhouse gas emissions...
Growing evidence? I don't think so!

These findings suggest that the warming of the past century or so is probably nothing more than the next phase of this repeating pattern of cyclical warming and cooling.
Gee, you think?
4 posted on 09/27/2003 8:03:19 AM PDT by oh8eleven
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
I remember the ice age warnings from my youth...

Keep remembering!

From what I can gather, we are in a short-term warming trend in a cycle that has the earth on the edge of a new Ice Age, which as this author says, could unfold in a 20-year time-frame.

Twenty years! And it could 'start' tomorrow.

5 posted on 09/27/2003 8:08:48 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Spirit of '76 bttt!)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
I've seen textbooks (recently) that show temperature patterns over time. I'm pretty sure they were based on ice core and/or tree ring readings but don't remember exactly. Repeatedly, temps have risen gradually and then dropped off dramatically and quickly. It looked to me as though we are very near the high temperature peak now and that, historically speaking, we are more likely to wake up to another ice age than to one of the theorized doom-and-gloom warming scenarios. I guess, though, that one if those scenarios is an ice age. They've thrown so many ideas out there that one of them has to be right eventually.
6 posted on 09/27/2003 8:10:45 AM PDT by freesia2
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
I couldn't find the article at the link. I wanted to mark my calendar for the Ice Age. When is it due?
7 posted on 09/27/2003 8:15:32 AM PDT by gitmo (Zero Tolerance = Intolerance)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Ice age? That is just so 1970s. The enviro-whackos haven't been crying ice age for years. They've been crying global warming for 15 years now.

Oh wait, none of their dire predictions regarding global warming for the past 15 years have come true? So its back to crying ice age.

It is so hard to keep up which what doom and gloom prediction is in fad.

8 posted on 09/27/2003 8:22:18 AM PDT by Bubba_Leroy
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To: headsonpikes
Keep remembering!

In another dozen years the 'environmental experts' will be whining about something new --maybe global rounding or some such thing.  And if you dare to mention Kyoto they'll stare blankly as they do now when you remind them how they used to accuse Ronald Reagan of plunging us into an ice age.

9 posted on 09/27/2003 8:22:51 AM PDT by expat_panama
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To: isthisnickcool
So does that mean when an airplane goes aloft counter to the direction of the earth that the earth moves under it and the plane really just resists gravity?

The problem, of course, is passing a law forbidding jumping in the air. We could lose people. And folks like Michael Jordan figured this out....he was cheating at basketball all the time. It was really the basket coming to him...not him to the basket.

tin foil counter to the left. :>)
10 posted on 09/27/2003 8:38:25 AM PDT by xzins (And now I will show you the most excellent way!)
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To: gitmo
The year 3170
11 posted on 09/27/2003 8:40:11 AM PDT by BobS
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To: BobS
Got the reminder set on my PC. Thanks.
12 posted on 09/27/2003 8:41:46 AM PDT by gitmo (Zero Tolerance = Intolerance)
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
About a year ago I added the WeatherBug software, and I was plagued by more popups than I could handle. After uninstalling it they went away. Could have been a coincidence I suppose, but I am not anxious to retest.
13 posted on 09/27/2003 8:46:10 AM PDT by Voltage
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
50 years from now, half of the people in Canada will begin migrating south.

Finally, an explanation why they already live close to the border.

14 posted on 09/27/2003 8:47:18 AM PDT by aculeus
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
'growing evidence that humans affect climate' - I saw a chart this week that showed where our pollution comes from. The chart listed millions and billions of tons of dust from outer space, volcanoes, the ocean, etc. I added up the tons and set the ratio of animal pollution (including humans) to that of the other polluters combined. Animal (including human) pollution adds less than one thousandth of the total yearly pollution to the atmosphere. Environmentalists know this ratio and lie about humans being the main pollluters. Politicians lie about this also.
15 posted on 09/27/2003 8:53:27 AM PDT by abclily
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To: gitmo; Bubba_Leroy; expat_panama
Geologically speaking the next major ice age is just around the corner. Will it happen tomorrow? Probably not. Within 500yrs? almost certainly.

 

Ice Ages & Astronomical Causes
Brief Introduction to the History of Climate
by Richard A. Muller

Origin of the 100 kyr Glacial Cycle

 

Figure 1-5 Climate for the last 420 kyr, from Vostok ice


16 posted on 09/27/2003 8:54:54 AM PDT by ancient_geezer
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To: ancient_geezer
But scientists have found evidence of tropical climates at the poles. When do we get that part of the cycle?
17 posted on 09/27/2003 9:00:35 AM PDT by gitmo (Zero Tolerance = Intolerance)
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To: abclily
'growing evidence that humans affect climate' - I saw a chart this week that showed where our pollution comes from.

 

Mankind's impact is only 0.28% of Total Greenhouse effect

" There is no dispute at all about the fact that even if punctiliously observed, (the Kyoto Protocol) would have an imperceptible effect on future temperatures -- one-twentieth of a degree by 2050. "

Dr. S. Fred Singer, atmospheric physicist
Professor Emeritus of Environmental Sciences at the University of Virginia,
and former director of the US Weather Satellite Service;
in a Sept. 10, 2001 Letter to Editor, Wall Street Journal

 

Anthropogenic (man-made) Contribution to the "Greenhouse
Effect," expressed as % of Total (water vapor INCLUDED)

Based on concentrations (ppb) adjusted for heat retention characteristics  % of All Greenhouse Gases

% Natural

% Man-made

 Water vapor 95.000% 

 94.999%

0.001% 
 Carbon Dioxide (CO2) 3.618% 

 3.502%

0.117% 
 Methane (CH4) 0.360% 

 0.294%

0.066% 
 Nitrous Oxide (N2O) 0.950% 

 0.903%

0.047% 
 Misc. gases ( CFC's, etc.) 0.072% 

 0.025%

0.047% 
 Total 100.00% 

 99.72

0.28% 

 

The reality is a doubling of atmospheric CO2 concentration over current levels, that the IPCC "story line" pretends, even if were true, could not induce significant temperature change whatever its source.

Climate Catastrophe, A spectroscopic Artifact?

"It is hardly to be expected that for CO2 doubling an increment of IR absorption at the 15 µm edges by 0.17% can cause any significant global warming or even a climate catastrophe.

The radiative forcing for doubling can be calculated by using this figure. If we allocate an absorption of 32 W/m2 [14] over 180º steradiant to the total integral (area) of the n3 band as observed from satellite measurements (Hanel et al., 1971) and applied to a standard atmosphere, and take an increment of 0.17%, the absorption is 0.054 W/m2 - and not 4.3 W/m2.

This is roughly 80 times less than IPCC's radiative forcing.

If we allocate 7.2 degC as greenhouse effect for the present CO2 (as asserted by Kondratjew and Moskalenko in J.T. Houghton's book The Global Climate [14]), the doubling effect should be 0.17% which is 0.012 degC only. If we take 1/80 of the 1.2 degC that result from Stefan-Boltzmann's law with a radiative forcing of 4.3 W/m2, we get a similar value of 0.015 degC."

A Lukewarm Greenhouse
"
The average warming predicted by the six methods for a doubling of CO2, is only +0.2 degC."

18 posted on 09/27/2003 9:00:40 AM PDT by ancient_geezer
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To: Forgiven_Sinner
Despite growing evidence that humans affect climate via urbanization and greenhouse gas emissions, the natural climate cycle may have the final say.

I love how these throw-away lines are slipped into these articles...as if this "evidence" is unquestionable.

19 posted on 09/27/2003 9:07:19 AM PDT by Cuttnhorse
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To: gitmo

But scientists have found evidence of tropical climates at the poles. When do we get that part of the cycle?

The antarctic has not always been where it is located today, at one time that landmass was much closer to the equator, it moves due to continental drift to the southern pole, hence no tropical climate for that land mass anymore.

If you want to guess on a world wide heat up with no or little polar ice, figure on at least a few million years to get through the current series of ice ages.

We have got anywhere from 10 to 50 million years before another real heatup to global tropical temps if ever.

 

Global Temperature and Atmospheric CO2 over Geologic Time 

Late Carboniferous to Early Permian time (315 mya -- 270 mya) is the only time period in the last 600 million years when both atmospheric CO2 and temperatures were as low as they are today (Quaternary Period ).

Temperature after C.R. Scotese
CO2 after R.A. Berner, 1994

  •     There has historically been much more CO2 in our atmosphere than exists today. For example, during the Jurassic Period (200 mya), average CO2 concentrations were about 900 ppm or about 2.5 times higher than today. The highest concentrations of CO2 during all of the Paleozoic Era occurred during the Ordovician Period, exceeding 6000 ppm -- more than 16 times higher than today.
  •     The Carboniferous Period and the Ordovician Period were the only geological periods during the Paleozoic Era when global temperatures were as low as they are today.

    To the consternation of global warming proponents, the Late Ordovician Period was also an Ice Age, with CO2 concentrations nearly 15 times higher than today-- 5500 ppm. According to greenhouse theory, Earth should have been exceedingly hot. Instead, global temperatures were no warmer than today. Clearly, other factors besides atmospheric carbon influence earth temperatures and global warming.

20 posted on 09/27/2003 9:10:55 AM PDT by ancient_geezer
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