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Sex-Starved Marriages - Women Struggle to Cope With Spouses' Low Sex Drives
ABC News ^ | 09/26/03 | John Stossel

Posted on 09/26/2003 1:51:14 PM PDT by bedolido

Sept. 26— On your wedding day you assume you'll have a long future together filled with love, intimacy, maybe kids, and of course, sex. Cheryl Wolfe assumed sex would be part of her marriage.

Watch John Stossel's full report on 20/20 this Friday at 10 p.m.

She was mistaken. "Marriage was never consummated … The day we got married there was no sexual relationship at all, no honeymoon night and from that point forward — nothing," Wolfe said.

She isn't alone. Marriage therapists estimate as many as 20 percent of couples are mired in low-sex or no-sex marriages, and surprisingly often it's the men, heterosexual men, who don't want sex. Wolfe ultimately left her husband because he lost sexual interest in her.

Men's Low Sex Drive Rarely Discussed

Lori and Jim Barrett and Suzan and Chris Cummings — two couples who say their marriages are in trouble because they rarely have sex — bravely agreed to talk with 20/20 about it, and then to work with marriage therapist Michele Weiner-Davis to see if they could make things better.

In both cases it's the women who are frustrated that their sexual needs aren't being met by their husbands.

Barrett said, "I feel like we're living like brother and sister, because we don't have sex. I'm like what kind of relationship is this? This is awful."

Jim Barrett's someone people might call a manly guy. He's a motorcycle enthusiast, and a volunteer firefighter. He says sex has simply never been a high priority for him. He and Lori have two children, and they do have sex maybe (10 times a year,) which is too seldom for Lori, but plenty for Jim. He says sex has just never been that important to him.

But it is important to Lori and to Suzan Cummings.

Susan says sex is the "foundation" of a marriage. "It's not sharing the bank account, and the car, and the toilet," she said.

Suzan and Chris Cummings have been married for six years. She has a daughter by a previous marriage and together, she and Chris have a son, Connor. Susan says sex was infrequent before Connor was born and afterward, Chris seemed less and less interested. Now it's been 15 months since they've had sex.

Chris says he doesn't see why sex has to be such a big deal. In fact, he's happy in their marriage without the sex. "From my perspective it's wonderful. I would say that if sex wasn't important for Susan, if she never wanted to have sex again, I think, I would probably be very happy," he said.

The Barretts' and Cummings' problems aren't surprising to Davis, who's been counseling couples for two decades and is author of Sex-Starved Marriage.

"I'm convinced that low desire in men is America's best kept secret," Davis said.

According to Davis, women in low-sex marriages tend to think their situation is unique. "They start to wonder whether they're the only women in the world who are married to guys who aren't following them around the house with a permanent erection," she said.

Lori Barrett said her husband's lack of desire has been tough on her self image. "First it was for me almost like, 'What's wrong with you,' … and then I was like, 'What's wrong with me — he doesn't want me!'"

Davis said it's common for the partner who's not getting their sexual needs met to feel unwanted or unloved. "When this major disconnect happens," Davis said, "intimacy on all levels tends to drop out, and it puts the marriage in a danger zone."

Bedroom Troubles Boil Over

When one partner is unhappy in the bedroom, it often creates tension that spills into other aspects of the marriage.

The Barretts agreed to let 20/20 put a camera in their home, and sure enough, there was a lot of bickering going on.

Jim said he feels like he's walking around the house on eggshells. Lori and Jim both say it's usually Lori who's on Jim's case.

Lori thinks there'd be less tension in their marriage if there were more sexual intimacy in it. She begged Jim to go to a doctor to have his testosterone levels checked and see if his problem is physical. He won't do it.

"Yeah, let's send Jim to the doctor. He's broke," he said. But he doesn't think there's anything wrong with him physically. He thinks it's an issue of trust, and that he can't just be himself.

They're caught in a trap. Lack of sex makes Lori frustrated, and Jim says he's not in the mood for sex because Lori is so critical. If she weren't so critical, Jim says, he might be turned on to his wife.

"Things'd be a lot more relaxed and we'd probably be a lot closer. Yeah. We'd probably have a lot better physical relationship," he said.

Don't Ignore the Problem

There are many factors that can cause low desire in men, say the experts. It might be anger toward a spouse or a physical issue, but all say whatever the cause, the worst thing to do is nothing — especially when sex is a priority for your partner — as it is for Suzan Cummings.

Chris says he loves Suzan but he worries about not being able to please her sexually. He says he always suffered some level of performance anxiety, and it's only gotten worse over time.

He tried Viagra, but it didn't work. Chris hasn't initiated sex with Suzan in about three years and he says it's gotten to the point he's afraid to initiate any physical contact with Suzan.

"At this point," he said, "the kissing and the hugging and the holding, has kind of signified, has come to signify the, desire to go farther."

Chris's fear of having sex with Suzan is pretty ironic since she works as an exotic dancer. She performs at a strip club, where men pay big bucks to watch women strut around in sexual ways. Suzan is one of the star attractions — lots of men come to the club just to see her. At one time Chris was one of them. That's how they met.

Chris says he still finds Suzan sexually attractive but his anxiety dampens his desire for her.

But he hasn't entirely lost his sex drive. He says "it gets satisfied through masturbation."

Chris says he knows his predicament sounds odd. "I realize that obviously I look like a schmuck on TV. It's extremely humiliating to get up and speak publicly about the fact that I'm not good in bed or that I can't satisfy my wife. I'm not proud of it," he said.

Suzan says she used to try reaching out to Chris sexually, but she's given that up. She said it was painful for her to feel rejected by her husband. "I value myself, um my sexuality as a woman. And to have it turned down over and over repeatedly says you have no value as a sexual being. … I need to feel loved. And I feel loved through sexual contact."

Suzan said the practical aspects of their relationship works fine, but overall she feels the relationship is cold and lonely.

Watching them at home with 20/20 cameras, it sure looked that way. There was no physical affection, and barely any interaction between them. It was almost as if they were leading parallel lives. After dinner Chris went downstairs to play video games, while Suzan sat by herself at the computer, surfing the Web.

Suzan said this is what happens night after night. "That's the exciting life of a stripper on her days off," she said.

More importantly, Suzan said she thinks there's a good chance they'll break up if things don't change.

Working It Out

Davis sat down with the Barretts, and Lori quickly revealed how deep her sense of rejections runs.

"Growing up I had a family an extended family that was constantly teasing me about how I looked and it really hurt me a lot, and so when I had my husband … this person I felt loved me, married me, and then did the same thing, rejected me. It's been very, very hard."

For Jim, hearing Lori say she felt unloved, rather than just barking at him, provides a different perspective, says Davis. "That's the catalyst for change, to truly understand what your partner is feeling, to be in their hearts, rather than to sit as so many couples do and point fingers," Davis said.

Davis says it's important for high-desire partners like Lori to understand that some people just have low sex drives and her husband is probably one of them What Jim has to do, she says, is to act sexually toward Lori even at first if he's not in the mood for sex. She says low-desire partners should try to just do it. Use it or lose it.

According to Davis, "The more a person is sexually active, the more it actually stimulates testosterone production, which is one of the primary hormones responsible for sex drive."

In Suzan and Chris's case, that's not so easy, because Chris now is afraid he can't perform. He knows it hurts Suzan. During their session with Davis, Suzan told Chris, "I don't understand how you can you love me, and not be there for me physically. How you could let me feel that way about myself?"

Davis' advice to them is to start touching each other affectionately with the understanding, at first, that they will not have sex. That will take pressure off Chris. Suzan said she'd be happy just to have simple affection, and Chris said he was surprised and relieved to hear that would be enough.

A month later, things were definitely better for Lori and Jim. He had initiated more sexual contact, and she said she made an effort not to nag.

Suzan and Chris were happier too. "First of all we're having sex," Chris said, "Not as much as we'd like, but that's the biggest fundamental change."

They needed another counseling session with Davis before Chris could really relax and feel it was OK to touch Suzan without it leading to intercourse and the fear of failure that gave him.

The couple says their renewed intimacy has brought other benefits.

Suzan said, "You feel good about yourself. When you feel good about yourself you can show love to your partner. You know it might not last forever until you're 90 but it gives you a warm, loving basis to go on, you know you feel loved."

For more information on Michele Weiner-Davis, visit her Web site at www.DivorceBusting.com.


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To: Eagle Eye
They are torn whether is it 'sick' that we carry on or if it is 'cute' that we carry on.

It is cute....and they will remember how their mother and father loved each other for the rest of their lives.
281 posted on 09/26/2003 5:29:35 PM PDT by mlmr (I need a new, and improved Tag Line.... Freepmail me your suggestions.)
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To: Interious
and you "behave"?

Man...you must carry a halo.
282 posted on 09/26/2003 5:29:47 PM PDT by wardaddy (The Lizard King it was.....)
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To: viligantcitizen
I didn't allow it.
You only have as much authority over someone else as they allow you to have.
I am looking into divorce as an option.
Not that I find it palatable.
283 posted on 09/26/2003 5:29:47 PM PDT by Darksheare (I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems. I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems)
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To: Queen Jadis
Divorce has been looked into as an option.
Quietly so.
284 posted on 09/26/2003 5:30:16 PM PDT by Darksheare (I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems. I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems)
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To: bedolido
This is often a complicated problem.

I think emotional intimacy issues and self-esteem, performance issues in general are foundationally at fault much, if not most of the time.

Certainly the backrub, PLEASURING WITHOUT SEX instructions of sex-therapists are the most effective in such situations. But I don't think those instructions are likely to get far unless BOTH parties are extremely motivated AND/OR the self-esteem, performance fears stuff that plague their identities, psyches, personalities and interpersonal relationships in general are dealt with on a more foundational level.

If you are having such a problem, I would encourage you to go to a qualified sex therapists or failing that--a grandmother/fatherly couple who are obviously in love and very affectionate and enjoy having lots of FUN together. Spend a lot of time with them and learn how to cultivate and share the caring, humor, fun etc. which they share so liberally between them.

Some modern anti-depressants also can neuter libido a lot.

I think a bottom line needs to be at some point--IF I LOVE SOMEONE, I WANT TO DO WHATEVER IS HEALTHY AND LOVING ***FROM *THEIR* PERSPECTIVE**** REGARDLESS OF THE COST OR DISCOMFORT TO ME. IF the Love is significant enough, persistence, good humor and some creativity can overcome even this complex bugaboo.

Some people have never learned to have fun period. Some people have never learned that they really are of value and have something of value to offer their spouse. Some people have never learned to avoid being a frozen deer in the headlight of performance expectations--real or imagined.

ACTING AS THOUGH you imagine that you are the best you that you could imagine being in such departments can help. Persisting acting AS THOUGH--*IN GOOD FAITH*--NOT IN DENIAL--BUT IN EARNEST GOOD FAITH--SUCH "ACTING AS THOUGH" CAN BE EXTREMELY POWERFUL, ESPECIALLY IF PERSISTED AT over say 6-12 weeks.

Also, a lot of men have gotten addicted to whacking off. The fantasies, convenience, no fuss and little muss ends up feeling a lot more pleasurable, easy and certainly quicker than a conflicted performance dance they feel ill equiped to uhhhh pull off . . . and which too often leaves them feeling LESS adequate instead of more.

Then there's passive aggressive junk that can get built-in to some relationships. My wife had an unlovely habit of shredding me up one side and down the other verbally for some mistake in the day or some other petty unmet expectation and then IMMEDIATELY expect me to be Clark Gable in bed complete with Hallalujah Chorus and extremely obsessed passion toward her. I could perform while still emotionally bleeding but not to that standard so it wasn't good enough.

The roots of such sick dynamics probably have to be searched out and excised, overcome first. If not, then somehow BOTH parties must come up with sufficient motivation to persist to the point that the process of physical affection, exploration and eventually freely mutually chosen sex becomes FUN!

And, as the great book by the title says: LOVE IS A CHOICE. And if one has chosen to love someone, then as the Bible says--your body is your lover's and her's is yours and acting that way earnestly, persistently is a good beginning.

IMHO.
285 posted on 09/26/2003 5:30:19 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: Darksheare
If you think divorce is the ultimate last resort, and you say she's cheated on you, flaunted her conquests in front of your face, and treats you like dirt, what in God's name would it take to push you out the door?

No. No, no, no. This isn't about keeping your word. That is merely a noble-sounding excuse, and perhaps you actually believe it. You've allowed yourself to be walked on for so long you don't have an ounce of self-respect or gumption left to do anything about it, and here you are, openly complaining about your situation and how rotten your wife is. Do yourself a favor, man, and end it the legal way, before you go off the deep end and do something you'll go to prison for.
286 posted on 09/26/2003 5:30:36 PM PDT by wimpycat (Down with Kooks and Kookery!)
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To: ChemistCat
Thanks.
287 posted on 09/26/2003 5:31:06 PM PDT by Darksheare (I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems. I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems)
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To: bedolido
What's with those weird Viagra commercials?

A guy looks all pensive and confused, and a woman maybe 20 years younger or so is frolikcing around. At the end, they are tossing frisbees.

See the one with the 50 year old guy tring to throw a football, but keeps missing. His wife (10 years his junior) looks pensive, too. Then at the end, he is throwing the football with regular accuracy into a spare tire hanging from a tree. Cut to the young bride: she looks relieved!

These are just so strange to me - they are like parodies, but they are real. WILD!
288 posted on 09/26/2003 5:31:24 PM PDT by HitmanLV (I will not be pushed, filed, stamped, indexed, briefed, debriefed or numbered. My life is my own.)
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To: Quix
I just wanna know if I have to have a bad sex life to get backrubs. I mean, it's a heavy price, but...backrubs....
289 posted on 09/26/2003 5:32:03 PM PDT by ChemistCat (KTA&LGSTO.)
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To: ValerieUSA
Valerie, you know me.
What would I be doing 'behind teh scenes'?
*chuckle*
I am currently looking into procuring a divorce.
Doing so quietly since I don't want anymore screaming matches from her.
But I've pretty much given up on trying to fix anything.
290 posted on 09/26/2003 5:32:53 PM PDT by Darksheare (I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems. I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems)
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To: ChemistCat
*LOL* sometimes you gotta exchange coupons for backrubs....
291 posted on 09/26/2003 5:35:19 PM PDT by ValerieUSA
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To: ValerieUSA
They don't make power tool coupons.
292 posted on 09/26/2003 5:36:03 PM PDT by ChemistCat (KTA&LGSTO.)
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To: ValerieUSA
My husband just told me I can get a lot of backrubs for a lathe.

I think he means metal-cutting. He wants to make gun parts, I think. Compensation? Naw.
293 posted on 09/26/2003 5:37:32 PM PDT by ChemistCat (KTA&LGSTO.)
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To: wimpycat
Not really complaining.
Using as an example.
294 posted on 09/26/2003 5:37:51 PM PDT by Darksheare (I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems. I will not _____the Dems. I will not_____the Dems)
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To: vetvetdoug
If that was true then there would be a plethora of men that wouldn't have a wrinkle on their body.


Lordy, Lordy, Friday night at the Freepers...I can't stop giggling!
295 posted on 09/26/2003 5:38:18 PM PDT by mlmr (I need a new, and improved Tag Line.... Freepmail me your suggestions.)
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To: bedolido
I've never been married but I have my own ideas about this stuff.

There are two schools that I see. 1) the people who say 'anything goes' before marriage, and 2) the people who are beligerantly the opposite, even if by nothing but association of a certain set of friends or communities.

The first set half of the time are trying to fit in. They are really underneath it all messed up and trying to compensate for something else.

The second are equally messed up as the first. As guys go, guys are labeled as 'predators' or some other bad thing for even thinking about sex. The guys develop a poor attitude and unhealthy behavior over a long period of time. The same thing applies to females.

There is definately a societal issue going on here.

My attitude? If the girl is in the #2 group and is uptight and raised with some demented view, religious or otherwise, I don't want her. Period.

What ends up happening is that no one else wants her either. But she wants someone to want her so she tries to go out and 'fit in' as the first group does.

It ends up with her trying to compensate her bad attitude with meaningless and unenjoyable sex.

I don't nessesarily want those in group #1 either.

Case and point, if you aren't happy before getting married, you won't be happy after. When you are really inside a happy person, the sex will find its way.

Don't marry a reconstruction project.

296 posted on 09/26/2003 5:38:39 PM PDT by maui_hawaii
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To: All
I don't see much mention of love in this thread. Nor can I understand how sexual desire for any one person can long survive without love's fire scorching the innards. Seek sex and that's all ya get. Find love and ya get it all.
297 posted on 09/26/2003 5:38:44 PM PDT by per loin
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To: flying Elvis
And the two couples names are Barrett and Cummings? ROFL

Let's not forget Michele Wiener-Davis.

298 posted on 09/26/2003 5:39:27 PM PDT by AK2KX
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To: ChemistCat
Not really.

But one might need to learn the GREAT TRUTH that

IT'S MORE BLESSED TO GIVE THAN RECEIVE

and practice it for some weeks to months, first.

Sooner or later, one should start reaping.

Of course, there are a lot of selfish men who have been happy to receive neck, shoulder, back, feet rubs from their wives with hardly a thank you, much less reciprocity. I think they should be dumped somewhere unpleasant until they come to their jerky senses enough to give more than they get for a long time, first.

But that's another subject.

Hand massages are a good place to begin, too. Low threat, low risk, low stress--a lot of feel good.
299 posted on 09/26/2003 5:42:47 PM PDT by Quix (DEFEAT her unroyal lowness, her hideous heinous Bwitch Shrillery Antoinette de Fosterizer de MarxNOW)
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To: Lorianne
Low sex drive among men is a taboo subject among men.

You're right, I've never discussed that problem with other men but I have also never had that problem. I guess men with that problem would be afraid to discuss it, thinking that it would make them less of a man.

Men with that problem should at least talk with their doctors about it.

300 posted on 09/26/2003 5:44:37 PM PDT by RightWinger
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