[the_greatest_country_ever]

"Cowardice is the last refuge of a scoundrel".

But such is the power of a fixed idea that Meeropol believed it was still possible that all of this evidence was....... ''no more than the clever creation of mirror images based on the known record.''

Just as his utterly blinding, self-denial was "no more than the creation of mirror images based on the UNREALIZED record" (of his mind's eye).

Finally, however, he was forced to reflect that innocence wasn't everything: ''Whatever actions'' his parents ''took sprang from their love of humanity, not from a particular allegiance to the Soviet Union. . . . I believe,'' he writes, ''that my parents acted patriotically even if Venona is accurate.''

My mind is made up. Please don't confuse me with the facts.

Meeropol is a faithful son. Had his parents ever confessed they too might have spoken of love and patriotism for the benefit of all humanity, whatever that lofty and empty language means.

And like all unmitigatingly, unremorseful commies who fervently fought to undermine America, all they can still do is wax nostalgically about how it was all done for their quixotic love of humanity.

Poor, sorry insufferable son-of-a-bitch.

But Meeropol, whose adoptive parents ''always criticized U.S. policy and agreed with the policies of the Soviet Union,'' really should know better than to say that the Rosenbergs, who were indisputably Communists, had no particular allegiance to the Soviet Union. What they resisted was saying so.

What they resisted was saying so.

Amen to that.
God Bless America, land that I love....

[KantianBurke]

the cow turd doesn't fall far from the disease ridden bovine.

[untenured]

''Whatever actions'' his parents ''took sprang from their love of humanity, not from a particular allegiance to the Soviet Union...

People who love humanity don't spy for Joseph Stalin.

[OldFriend]

Sounds like the Rosenberg's brand of patriotism is quite similar to that of Weasley Clark.

[The Toad]

Let's face it, they were spies. The Soviets (now Russian's) claimed that they were and the intercepts along with a host of other info prove it. It's in the Venona papers.....

[E. Pluribus Unum]

They already made this story into a movie in 1983.

[LiteKeeper]

INTREP

[tioga]

Venona transcripts = the fat lady has sung

[BunnySlippers]

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[Bush2000]

''Whatever actions'' his parents ''took sprang from their love of humanity, not from a particular allegiance to the Soviet Union. . . . I believe,'' he writes

They "loved" humanity so much that they gave the Soviets the ability to annihilate western civilization -- even though the United States plainly possessed nuclear weapons and yet didn't use them against the Soviets. Who's the evil ones here? Certainly not the United States. No, the only possible explanation was that the Rosenbergs loved Communism more than their own country -- and they paid for that misguided idealism with their lives and the emotional distress wreaked on their sons.

[Steely Glint]

Decoded VENONA intercepts of Soviet espionage messages (which are available online now) established that there were well over 300 Soviet agents in the U.S. in the 1940's and 1950's, many of them in the government. Among the Soviet agents identifed by VENONA were Alger Hiss and the Rosenbergs, whom many have believed to be innocent, but whose guilt is proven beyond even a shadow of a doubt by VENONA.

Other Soviet agents identified by VENONA included:

Lauchlin Currie, senior White House aide to President Roosevelt

Alger Hiss, chief of the State Department's Office of Special Political Affairs

Duncan Lee, senior aide to OSS chief William J. Donovan (the OSS, of course, later became the CIA)

Laurence Duggan, the Secretary of State's personal adviser

Harry Dexter White, senior adviser to the American delegation to the United Nations and assistant secretary of the Treasury

Julius and Ethel Rosenberg, Harry Gold, Klaus Fuchs, and David and Ruth Greenglass, the so-called "Manhattan Project spies," who passed American nuclear secrets to the USSR

Additionally, VENONA proved that American Leftists were actively engaging in Soviet espionage, as it documented many espionage activities by members of the American Communist Party on behalf of the USSR.

What does this mean? Several things, one of which is that the American Left's frequent claim to never have actively engaged in anti-American activities is a big lie. Another is that Senator Joseph McCarthy was indeed generally right, but didn't have all facts in hand and didn't know who the 300-plus Soviet agents really were, because the agency intercepting the messages (SIS) couldn't tell him for security reasons. David Major, former director of counterintelligence programs for the National Security Council, has said that Joseph McCarthy "was right for the wrong reasons." Oleg Kalugin, a retired major general of the KGB, said this about McCarthyism: "It has often been betrayed as an evil, but on the other hand, it was an awakening of America. Not to condone McCarthy, but it was a more realistic approach."

The VENONA intercepts were declassified and released in 1995. If you want to know the facts you can read them and government comments about them yourself at:

www.nsa.gov/docs/venona/

www.cia.gov/csi/books/venona/venona.htm

foia.fbi.gov/venona.htm

Some good online references on VENONA are:

"REMEMBRANCES OF VENONA" by Mr. William P. Crowell, Deputy Director, National Security Agency:
http://history.acusd.edu/gen/text/coldwar/venona-crowell.html

VENONA Historical Monograph #1:
http://history.acusd.edu/gen/text/coldwar/venona1.html

VENONA Chronology:
http://tms.physics.lsa.umich.edu/214/other/handouts/VenonaChrono.html

Interview with David Major:
http://www.pbs.org/redfiles/kgb/deep/interv/k_int_david_major.htm

You might also want to read:

VENONA: Decoding Soviet Espionage in America, by John Earl Haynes and Harvey Klehr, (New Haven and London: Yale University Press, 1999. Pp. xiii, 487. $30 cloth.)

[Bud Bundy]

''always criticized U.S. policy and agreed with the policies of the Soviet Union,''

And those beliefs were based on as much BS as his belief in his parent's innocense. What a bunch of morons. I suppose that after all of the USSR's records were made public and the big lie exposed, they sighed and said it was okay because of their love of humanity.

These people were absolutely wrong about everything they ever had the chance to make a judgement about in their entire lives.

[kitkat]

Your post #1 is excellent.

How could their son say they were patriotic Americans when they were plotting to overthrow our government?