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Anger at Vatican plan to ban altar girls
Gaurdian (UK) ^
| 24 September 2003
| John Hooper
Posted on 09/24/2003 3:06:09 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: maryz
No, no, no! I didn't mean to make you uncomfortable.
We'll drop the subject.
No harm meant.
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posted on
09/25/2003 11:20:53 AM PDT
by
Pan_Yans Wife
("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
To: Pan_Yans Wife; maryz
At Maryz's request, I am going to answer, but privately.
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posted on
09/25/2003 11:29:10 AM PDT
by
BlackElk
(Schwarzenegger is as Catholic as his wife's Uncle Teddy or as the late Cardinal Bernardin)
To: BlackElk
That really isn't necessary. I didn't mean to delve too deeply into a sensitive subject. We can just drop it.
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posted on
09/25/2003 11:45:59 AM PDT
by
Pan_Yans Wife
("Life isn't fair. It's fairer than death, is all.")
To: ArrogantBustard
As always, I prefer that putrid and irrelevant remarks be left up as mute testimony against the people who make them. How about you stop making it appear that I said foul things on this thread. I mentioned the queer priests who have been molesting children for decades. You keep accusing me of a foul sewer mouth and I don't deserve that from this thread.
I'm no angel and I have my times but saying the church has bigger issues to deal with, like the pedo priests is not deserving of the attacks you have thrown at me.
P.S. notice I don't need to ping the Admin.
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posted on
09/25/2003 1:00:40 PM PDT
by
SouthernFreebird
(constipated people don't give a crap.)
To: SouthernFreebird
I pinged the admin to let him/her/it know about my preference that your foul post suggesting that the
conservative bishops, who want to suppress the theologically problematic practice of having girls serve at Mass, are really closet pederasts should have been
left in place so you wouldn't be able to try to weasel around having made such comments.
How about you, and others like you, quit making foul comments.
'nuff said.
You, sirrah, may have the last word, if you like. I shan't waste any more time on you.
To: Aquinasfan
And you and your children would be (spiritually) poorer for it.
To: sinkspur; BlackElk
Fr. McLucas may be insecure--your psychoanalysis of him is interesting---but he's right. SO happens BE knows McL; and although like you BE is NOT a shrink--perhaps he has an observation.
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posted on
09/25/2003 5:43:09 PM PDT
by
ninenot
(Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
To: sinkspur
and laymen will play an increasingly larger role in the Church...for about 10 years or so. Then the crisis will be over and the Church will return to an authentic understanding of manhood, priesthood, and femininity.
But thanks for your invitation to leave and go to the Old Rite.
Very considerate of you. You don't like it when someone writes an article which accurately describes the underhanded and dishonest means by which certain changes have been effected, eh?
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posted on
09/25/2003 5:46:57 PM PDT
by
ninenot
(Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
To: sinkspur
This "proposal" is dead on arrivalYou are entitled to any benighted opinion you wish to hold.
BTW, I wish you'd stop slandering the Curia for "trial-ballooning" this document. Reuters reports that the document was leaked by the PoofterLiturgyWonks to stir up opposition from the dedicated modernists.
And judging from your reaction, the Poofters got what they wanted, Deacon.
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posted on
09/25/2003 5:54:06 PM PDT
by
ninenot
(Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
To: wideawake; Cousin Eddie
It's fun to watch you demolish trolls who, at one point in their lives, were inside a Catholic church.
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posted on
09/25/2003 5:57:13 PM PDT
by
ninenot
(Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
To: sinkspur
Altar girls and the use of fleets of EEM's are abuses, they were begun in defiance of authority, and they should be smacked down, hard, Deacon. Communion in the hand, similarly, was begun as an act of defiance.
Defiance just sort of makes you feel good, ain'a? (Did I tell you that I, too, am NOT a shrink?)
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posted on
09/25/2003 6:02:49 PM PDT
by
ninenot
(Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
To: Romulus
Neat observation.
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posted on
09/25/2003 6:04:51 PM PDT
by
ninenot
(Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
To: sinkspur; Romulus
And I'm sorry for those whose analysis of their silly analysis is even sillierAnd to you, like LeCourboisier, buildings are merely machines for "living" in, or for "meeting" in, or whatever, eh?
You need a bit of remedial time studying the nature and purpose of art (of which architecture is a subset.)
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posted on
09/25/2003 6:07:11 PM PDT
by
ninenot
(Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
To: Hawkeye's Girl
When I was young, there were no altar girls. Instead, we were all members of the Sodality, and we served the church in many ways.
Lent and Easter were our most active times. We decorated the church, did the Forty Hours devotions, we were part of all the processions (my favorite was Easter, when we got to wear our white dresses and carry all the beautiful lillies), and of course we were responsible for the preparations for and the celebration of the Coronation of the Blessed Mother during Mary's month of May.
It all seemed so simple then: the boys were altar boys and we girls had the Sodality. Both groups had jobs to do, but our jobs were different...just as it is in life.
That being said, I fervently hope this report is true, as the along with altar girls, the Church has made other "innovations" that I find equally irritating.
Regards,
To: Cousin Eddie
flutes, drums, and other instruments in the churchYou ought to read a bit more deeply on the posts. While you're at it, about 5 years' study regarding the art of music, its purposes, and music fit for worship would be helpful to you.
Just possible that your aunt's insistence on the pipe organ has to do with the VatII's insistence on the same, as the PRIMARY instrument for music accompaniment in the Church.
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posted on
09/25/2003 6:11:25 PM PDT
by
ninenot
(Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
To: Cousin Eddie
I only pointed out that disobedience, at times, leads to change for the goodAs you know from your study of moral theology, one CANNOT do evil, even to achieve good.
Women's suffrage came about through the efforts and disobedience of radical feminists.
Democracy is nice. The Church is not a democracy.
You have not shown any connection or proof of how it ruins the fostering of vocations.
Actually, the burden of proof is on you to demonstrate that vocations have increased due to "altar girls."
But since you will be unable to prove that contention, let me help you by pointing out that in Dioceses which are manifestly obedient to the Holy See, vocations are rampant.
In Milwaukee, there are few, if any.
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posted on
09/25/2003 6:16:46 PM PDT
by
ninenot
(Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
To: sinkspur
Are you absolutely certain that Lincoln uses EEM's? I am not. Further, I know as a matter of fact that Lincoln does NOT use altargirls.
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posted on
09/25/2003 6:26:11 PM PDT
by
ninenot
(Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
To: sinkspur
Could it be that priests "disobey" or take liberties in certain areas because the particular rule or discipline is not explained, or there are no reasons given for itOr could it be that priests have no need to research on their own the genesis of liturgical practice?
Many of them have the time--you see them sitting on their butts during Communion while a fleet of EEM's does their job.
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posted on
09/25/2003 6:30:26 PM PDT
by
ninenot
(Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
To: Aquinasfan; Lorianne
When you inquire of the Lord why He chose no female Apostles, ask Him as well why He did not make the ONLY sinless female in history to be a priest-ette...
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posted on
09/25/2003 6:32:24 PM PDT
by
ninenot
(Democrats make mistakes. RINOs don't correct them.--Chesterton (adapted by Ninenot))
To: ninenot
Well, that explains why only the pipe organ should be the only instrument fit for worship. No doubt it was used at the Last Supper and Peter passed the word along.
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posted on
09/25/2003 6:42:37 PM PDT
by
freeangel
(freeangel)
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