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Drafting Our Daughters: Why do American men no longer have a godly affection for their daughters?
http://covenantnews.com/trewhella030520.htm ^ | Matt Trewhella

Posted on 09/24/2003 8:21:32 AM PDT by xzins

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To: xzins
Male protection??

What a laugh.

My paternal grandfather and paternal uncle both molested me, (age 9 & 12) my father was an alcoholic who terrorized me and my 6 siblings and physical abused my mother... my parish priest (who was boffing his housekeeper BTW) humiliated me (at 6 yrs old) in front of a whole church full of people because I took some young friends into the church after school and lit a candle....

I've had 3 serious relationships where the males were totally inept in taking care of me in any way shape or form ... other than looking after their own sexual needs... and the father of my daughter walked out on me when my daughter was 2 and a half.

LOL... And all this from a middle class Catholic upbringing.

Who protects my daughter now?

I do.

What do I tell her about men?

Look to yourself first.

As to going to war... of course I would go and serve in what ever manner I could. And I believe she would as well.

141 posted on 09/24/2003 2:45:48 PM PDT by bikewench
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To: xzins
Interesting. I have six children; 2-sons, 4-daughters - I served this nation for 23+ years as an Infantryman, enlisted and officer...

If the nation needs my sons service; I expect them to step up; but, when the day comes that they begin to draft my daughters - I will question the soil I live on and those who run our government.

Not my or anyone elses daughter...fighting wars has always been and will always be the primary responsibility of men.

www.jenerette.com

142 posted on 09/24/2003 3:00:23 PM PDT by Van Jenerette (Our Republic...if we can keep it!)
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To: bikewench
You had the example of the male that this article decries. So in your case the article is appropriate: "Why do American men no longer have a godly affection for their daughters?"
143 posted on 09/24/2003 3:15:57 PM PDT by xzins (How shall they hear?)
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To: Van Jenerette
You just happen to be the last on the thread, VJ.

I haven't read all of the replies, so I don't know if this has been said ...

The key words seem to be (IMHO) "man" and "godly".

Male does not necesarily mean man and without a Godly perspective, it's impossible to be a man as God would have us to be.

I know there are guys that are 6'4", 280 and all that, but that doesn't make a man.

I believe ... based on scripture ... that women are to be modest in dress and that our society is doing everything to strip our women and sluttify them. Even "Christian" "men" allow their wives and daughters to dress in a provocative manner.

I think the first influence is generally the first input, and that would be through the 'eye-gate'/

So, men 'see' all around them, women that do not match up to a modest picture.

If the picture is not modest ... then they, the women, must also not be modest.

If the women are'nt modest, then they must be more than an ideal 'feminine' and that allows a 'man' to allow his daughter to be in the military instead of demanding she become a wife and mother, perpetrating a "Christian" oicture for others ... male and female ... to emulate.

144 posted on 09/24/2003 3:21:29 PM PDT by knarf (A place where anyone can learn anything ... especially that which promotes clear thinking.)
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To: Woahhs
Your total lack of understanding of God's word explains your foolish pronouncements. Can't communicate with one who lacks language skills.
145 posted on 09/24/2003 4:22:07 PM PDT by editor-surveyor ( . Best policy RE: Environmentalists, - ZERO TOLERANCE !!)
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To: xzins
Hmm...what's the president going to do about Jenna and Barbara and the rest of the DC'ers daughters? Wouldn't this be interesting.
146 posted on 09/24/2003 5:15:05 PM PDT by Bella
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To: Bella
Hmm...what's the president going to do about Jenna and Barbara and the rest of the DC'ers daughters?

Presumably he'd do the same as I would, tell the draft board to go to hell and ask where me and my son-in-laws can go to get our M16 re-issued.

147 posted on 09/24/2003 5:17:39 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: jwalsh07
Presumably he'd do the same as I would, tell the draft board to go to hell and ask where me and my son-in-laws can go to get our M16 re-issued.

You know there'd be mass-shit flying IF a draft starts..poeple will be in the streets, and you know the first thing they'll say is that the twins should go also..

148 posted on 09/24/2003 5:20:35 PM PDT by Bella
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To: editor-surveyor
hahahahahahhaahha...all this time, and the best you can come up with is swelling yourself up like a blowfish?

Ignoring the fact that God's law is not enforceable by the civil authorities of these United States, under what principle or scripture do you dispute my reference to Ezekiel? Do you think God gives women a moral "get out of jail free" card? If you'd like to dispute my hermeneutics, you'll have to do better than throwing a tantrum.

One thing I can assure you of...since my sign-up date, you are the first to ever impugn my language skills, so you'll forgive me if chalk that criticism up to more puffery on your part.

149 posted on 09/24/2003 5:56:41 PM PDT by Woahhs
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To: bikewench
You are not the only one here who was abused as a child by someone(s) in some way.

Cry me a river...

150 posted on 09/24/2003 6:11:34 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: xzins
A military draft is not necessarily a combat draft, or even a draft that would put women in great danger. And as we have seen with this war on terrorism, women are not exempt from danger and death on our own soil.

Even the director of the Selective Service has acknowledged that women will most likely need to be drafted in the medical area, as there simply are not enough male medical workers should a dire situation (like weapons of mass destruction being unleashed) to undertake the challenge.

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2001/11/12/184604.shtml

"A health-care draft is not a new concept to the U.S. military, said SSS Director of Public and Congressional Affairs Lew Brodsky.

"There used to be a doctors' draft in this country from 1950 to 1973, but it was limited to a handful of doctors only and specific kinds of doctors before you had the kind of specialties that we have today," said Brodsky.

The issue of a health-care draft was also raised and discussed by members of Congress in the late 1980s. Brodsky said the Senate Armed Services Committee was concerned about the possibility of a military conflict that involved weapons of mass destruction and incurred heavy casualties.

Brodsky said Congress argued that in a modern war the "military medical capability might not be sufficient to handle that crisis. It might be understaffed and might need more people quickly.

"Looking at the numbers of medical personnel required, the time frames and the kinds of skills required – it would have to include women," said Brodsky.

Ditto other professions and areas of expertise. No one wants the dire circumstances that would activate a draft to occur, however, if they did, we would be unwise to no use ALL the talent available to both stop our enemies and survive on the homefront. Lots of people would pitch in and help, no doubt, but a draft would organize people much faster to enabling us to deal more effectively with emergencies on a larger scale.

151 posted on 09/24/2003 6:15:03 PM PDT by Lorianne
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To: xzins
#3. A woman is ALWAYS right in divorce court.

No matter what, she gets the house, all property, the children.

And even before the trial she automatically gets a restraining order.

If I was a young man I would only go to prostitutes.

They can only screw you one time.

152 posted on 09/24/2003 6:16:58 PM PDT by LibKill (Father Darwin has a sense of humor but no mercy whatsoever.)
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To: SLB
Thank you, sir.
153 posted on 09/24/2003 7:06:41 PM PDT by Possenti
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To: Woahhs
I didn't say, nor do I think, that women who act like selfish beasts are not responsible because they were raised wrong and had bad influences. It just makes them unfortunate, and unfortunately many now have to suffer the results (could be called karma, reaping what is sown) of broken lives. And the men in their lives suffer too, and of course, men have their own set of problems.
But until a person shuffles off the mortal coil, he/she has the opportunity to find the truth of their life, and discover what is right action, and take it. Just because people are born into a screwed up society, or screwed up family, does not exonerate them from responsibility. It just makes their task harder, and many fail.
154 posted on 09/24/2003 8:49:07 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Paul C. Jesup
And you wonder why the men and boys who are forced to take abuse, by the system of anti-male laws, from these brats feel no remorse in wanting to draft women.

I don't wonder at it! I just consider that putting women into close contact with men in military service (as is done now by the volunteer army) isn't good for either the men, the women, and most important, the military mission. If women are in the military, either drafted or voluntarily, they should have separate training and living quarters, like they used to. Also, if women want to be just like men, then logically they should be drafted if men are. One of the problems that you are alluding to is that women on the one hand want to be treated just like men (or better, practically like getting "reparations" or something!) but on the other hand sue for "reckless eyeballing", have special treatment legally, etc. It's a schizophrenic situation because WOMEN AND MEN REALLY ARE DIFFERENT! And have different things they are good at. Such as: men make rotten mothers and baby caretakers! The whole situation is so FUBAR I don't know what can help it.

155 posted on 09/24/2003 8:56:06 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: Paul C. Jesup
You are not the only one here who was abused as a child by someone(s) in some way.

Cry me a river...


Yeah... your right. I'm done cryin.
156 posted on 09/24/2003 9:00:30 PM PDT by bikewench
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
You know me not, you know nothing of Vedic Dharma, nothing of Vaishnava Dharma, nothing of the 12 mahajanas who are the eternal authorities of Dharma shastra, nothing of the vast spiritual knowledge contained in the Vedanta Sutra, Upanishads, and Vedavyasa's condensation of it all in the Bhagavat Purana. So when you have read all that (and followed the path of medititation and purification, otherwise it is vain academic mental masturbation) and studied the Mahabharat and the Bhagavad Gita which is but one chapter, then get back to me and discuss Hindu Dharma.

Until that time, stick to talking about that which you know.
157 posted on 09/24/2003 9:03:52 PM PDT by First Amendment
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To: pram
The whole situation is so FUBAR I don't know what can help it.

The only solution I can think of about feminists is to shove their brand of equality (or lack there of) right back down their throats until they choke on it. That is why I say draft the feminists and only the feminists. But not all women.

158 posted on 09/24/2003 9:05:23 PM PDT by Paul C. Jesup
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To: pram
Yatta yatta yatta - I'm sure I could spot some cut and paste links on the Internet.

Your scam is singularly unconvincing.

159 posted on 09/24/2003 9:07:39 PM PDT by Chancellor Palpatine
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To: Chancellor Palpatine
Have fun choking on your arrogance. The Yamadutas are waiting with their dogs.
160 posted on 09/24/2003 9:14:12 PM PDT by First Amendment
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