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Gen. Shelton shocks Celebrity Forum, says he won't support Clark for president
Los Altos online ^ | 09/23/03

Posted on 09/24/2003 3:32:06 AM PDT by jaykay

Retired General H. Hugh Shelton, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff on 9/11, shared his recollection of that day and his views of the war against terrorism with the Foothill College Celebrity Forum audience at Flint Center, Sept. 11 and 12.

His review of that historic event and his 38 years in the military kept the audience's rapt attention throughout. But it was his answer to a question from the audience at the end that shocked his listeners.

"What do you think of General Wesley Clark and would you support him as a presidential candidate," was the question put to him by moderator Dick Henning, assuming that all military men stood in support of each other. General Shelton took a drink of water and Henning said, "I noticed you took a drink on that one!"

"That question makes me wish it were vodka," said Shelton. "I've known Wes for a long time. I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. I'm not going to say whether I'm a Republican or a Democrat. I'll just say Wes won't get my vote."

Shelton was on a 757 en route to Budapest for a conference when he learned that a plane had crashed into the World Trade Center. Knowing that New York had perfect weather and there were no computer problems, he determined that it was a terrorist attack and immediately turned the plane around.

Shelton's 38 years in the military included two years in Vietnam and service in the 173rd Airborne Brigade and Green Berets. In addition to having been an adviser to the president and a member of the National Security Council, he has been awarded the Congressional Gold Medal, the Purple Heart and six Distinguished Service Medals. He has been decorated by 15 foreign governments and knighted by Queen Elizabeth.

His 6-foot-6-inch military bearing and commanding presence at the Celebrity Forum belied his recent personal battle. Only months after his retirement, following 400 parachute jumps from 30,000 feet, the former special ops soldier fell from a ladder outside his home, landed with his head caught in a chain-link fence and was partially paralyzed from the neck down.

The doctor told Shelton he would never walk or use his hands again. Shelton said he checked the doctor's name tag for "God"; he didn't see it. Eighty-four days later he walked out on his own, and he is now close to 100 percent recovered. The unfortunate experience taught him an invaluable lesson -- "the importance of faith, family and friends when the chips are down."

Three days after Shelton took office as chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, his commitment to the integrity of the military was tested. When U.S. planes in the Iraq no-fly zone were attacked, a member of Congress suggested that perhaps "we" could fly a U-2 spy plane so low over Iraq that it could easily get hit. Then we'd have a reason "to kick Saddam out of Iraq." After Shelton responded that he would order that "just as soon as you are qualified to fly (it)," he was not asked again to compromise his office.

"Sometimes people in a position of power lose perspective on right and wrong," Shelton said.

The events of 9/11 were not a surprise to Shelton. He had been concerned because the United States offers a vulnerable target-rich environment. Two areas continue to worry him. First, a cyber-attack on air control, water, 911, financial or other nationwide systems could "bring us to our knees." Second, the use of weapons of mass destruction, even small amounts of sarin gas, anthrax germs, bio-attacks, continues to be a dangerous threat. Their deployment had been planned for the first World Trade Center bombing in 1993, but al-Qaeda ordered the attack before they were in place.

In order to deal with the ongoing danger, the United States must "continue to go after terrorists," he said. "Bush has maintained the pressure and earned kudos in spite of the criticism."


TOPICS: Front Page News; Politics/Elections; US: North Carolina
KEYWORDS: 2004; generalhughshelton; generalshelton; hughshelton; jcs; weasely; wesleyclark; wesleykanne
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To: TontoKowalski
I still get the impression that there's a really nasty skeleton in his Balkan closet... too many military guys I know, senior and otherwise, have a serious disdain for Clark. It's way more than politics... there's an odor of dishonor associated with him, and I just can't figure out why that is.

I have the same sense you do, that there's something pretty bad lurking there in the Balkan cesspool. I also can't figure out what it is, but if Shelton says it was character and integrity, I am inclined to believe him. What I don't understand is why Clark thinks it won't come out. Perhaps the reason is just his hubris that he's a golden boy, and he doesn't have a clue the extent to which he is detested. Or, perhaps whatever the problem is, is so embarrassing to the US military and even the US that Clark is confident no military folks or even the Pubbies will let it out. Who knows. I hope it comes out soon enough to remove him as a viable Hillary proxy, forcing her to fish or cut bait promptly.

21 posted on 09/24/2003 5:30:45 AM PDT by CatoRenasci (Ceterum Censeo [Gallia][Germania][Arabia] Esse Delendam --- Select One or More as needed)
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To: jaykay
Wasn't there a scandal over there concerning forced prostitution? I thought I heard clark's name mentioned. Was the UN involved?

So much has happened since then it is hard to remember
22 posted on 09/24/2003 5:34:43 AM PDT by Taffini (I like Tony Soprano eventhough he is a fat boy)
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To: jaykay
Wow. That's tough talk from General Shelton. Most former military seem to have nothing to say about Clark or else something bad. Interestingly, liberal dems seem to dislike Clark as well, even calling him a war criminal for civilian deaths in the Kosovo war.
23 posted on 09/24/2003 5:37:05 AM PDT by milemark
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To: CatoRenasci
Ron Brown? What about the mine that blew up outside Sarajevo and killed two U.S. officials in the presence of Weasely Clark and Amb. Holbrooke?
24 posted on 09/24/2003 5:37:09 AM PDT by aristeides
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To: CatoRenasci
I remember a whole series of press releases denying Clark was being brought back early from Europe. They are in the FR archuves somewhere and might offer a little insight.
25 posted on 09/24/2003 5:38:38 AM PDT by Arkie2 (It's a literary fact that the number of words written will grow exponentially to fill the space avai)
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To: jaykay
Good for General Shelton - I highly applaud him.
26 posted on 09/24/2003 5:39:34 AM PDT by Happy2BMe (LIBERTY has arrived in Iraq - Now we can concentrate on HOLLYWEED!)
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To: Taffini
Wasn't there a scandal over there concerning forced prostitution? I thought I heard clark's name mentioned. Was the UN involved?

I don't remember, but if it did happen, then it places a more interesting light on the President's discussion of sex-slavery at the UN yesterday.

27 posted on 09/24/2003 5:42:18 AM PDT by Miss Marple
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To: tkathy
I am hoping that the military doesn't close ranks on Clark, and speaks the truth.

Well, no worries about General Shelton on that count:

"What do you think of General Wesley Clark and would you support him as a presidential candidate," was the question put to him by moderator Dick Henning, assuming that all military men stood in support of each other. (yeah, not like they'd have minds of their own or anything) General Shelton took a drink of water and Henning said, "I noticed you took a drink on that one!" "That question makes me wish it were vodka," said Shelton. (Oh, my!) "I've known Wes for a long time. I will tell you the reason he came out of Europe early had to do with integrity and character issues, things that are very near and dear to my heart. I'm not going to say whether I'm a Republican or a Democrat. I'll just say Wes won't get my vote."

In the civilian world, if your former boss doesn't have a good word to say about you, it tends to hurt your future prospects.

28 posted on 09/24/2003 5:46:42 AM PDT by milemark
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To: Miss Marple
Wasn't that an interesting little blurb... that the UN should take on the issue of slavery?

I immediately thought of the Christian slaves being held in Sudan, and the willingness of politicians and journalists to hush that up.

29 posted on 09/24/2003 5:51:19 AM PDT by TontoKowalski
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To: tkathy
I hope the military is so horrified at the thought of commander in chief Clark that they speak out enmass.
30 posted on 09/24/2003 5:58:31 AM PDT by tkathy (The islamofascists and the democrats are trying to destroy this country)
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To: jaykay
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31 posted on 09/24/2003 6:04:28 AM PDT by Sam Cree (Democrats are herd animals)
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To: aristeides
Funk was CO of III Corps and Ft. Hood from 1993 to 1995. I think he was talking about Waco. Looks like those who know Weasely Clark best like him least.

Bingo. Paul Funk and Hugh Shelton are both straight shooters. The anecdotal evidence to his true nature is only beginning to surface. Those who worked side by side with him during his days in uniform will come forward in increasing numbers over the next few months and continue to expose him for the Arkansas grifter that he is.

"Breaking Right"

32 posted on 09/24/2003 6:04:43 AM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: jaykay
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33 posted on 09/24/2003 6:05:21 AM PDT by RippleFire
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To: jaykay
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34 posted on 09/24/2003 6:06:51 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: PokeyJoe
Clark was class of 66.

Cheating scandal involved an electrical engineering exam, taken by the class of '76.

Men at West Point learn to submitt their individual desires to the greater good. This lesson is much reinforced when a graduate becomes a combat arms platoon leader and company commander. He learns that when he makes mistakes, people die. He sees this lesson reinforced every time their is a casulty. Thus, when an officer speaks of another officer as saying he has character and integrity problems, he is saying the other man is unfit to lead; and implies that the man could get others killed. When viewed in this context, General Shelton's comments are about the most damaging thing an officer could say about someone else.

Most men accept the mantle of leadership with trepidation, hoping they can prove themselves worthy of the task. Unfortunately, there is always a small group of people who are smarter, more politically adept, or whose dad was a general, and thus are on the inside track. Most eventually learn the values of others above self, but a few, like General Clark never do.

As an aside, also at West Point, you will find the phenomena known as 'spring-butts.' These are attention starved people who seek the adulation of others. At a lecture, the spring butts will always ask a question of the lecturer, just to get face time, while the rest of the 999 members of the class just want to get out of their.

Heck, at the infantry officers advanced course, we started a game called spring butt bingo. You get a 3x3 matrix, fill in the names of the most likely candidates to ask a question. The first guy to get three names in a row crossed off has to yell 'bingo' loud enough for the whole group to hear when he gets the last name. He then wins the pot. You can't imagine how much this game stiffled the spring butts.

Regards,


35 posted on 09/24/2003 6:13:32 AM PDT by OldCorps
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To: okie01; proud American in Canada
ping
36 posted on 09/24/2003 6:27:41 AM PDT by dirtboy (CongressmanBillyBob/John Armor for Congress - you can't separate them, so send 'em both to D.C.)
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To: OldCorps
I really enjoyed the bingo game story - thanks
37 posted on 09/24/2003 7:49:58 AM PDT by Triple (All forms of socialism deny individuals the right to the fruits of their labor)
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To: OldCorps
Correction: Cheating scandal occured in 1976 and involved members of class of 1977. Sorry for the mistake.
38 posted on 09/24/2003 8:39:40 AM PDT by OldCorps
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To: OldCorps
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39 posted on 09/24/2003 9:06:58 AM PDT by Pukin Dog (Sans Reproache)
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To: jaykay
When U.S. planes in the Iraq no-fly zone were attacked, a member of Congress suggested that perhaps "we" could fly a U-2 spy plane so low over Iraq that it could easily get hit. Then we'd have a reason "to kick Saddam out of Iraq." After Shelton responded that he would order that "just as soon as you are qualified to fly (it)," he was not asked again to compromise his office. "Sometimes people in a position of power lose perspective on right and wrong," Shelton said.

This is very disturbing. I want to know what jackass suggested using pilots as bait to start a war. this is the kind of crap the LW conspiracy fruitloops drool over.

40 posted on 09/24/2003 9:20:40 AM PDT by finnman69 (!)
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