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Assassin secretly deported after JFK killed
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Wednesday, September 24, 2003

Posted on 09/24/2003 12:04:04 AM PDT by JohnHuang2

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To: marron
The CIA guys who saw their men betrayed and killed and left to rot in dungeons on the orders of this man must have been very bitter. Perhaps dangerously so

Indeed.

The major problem with a conspiracy is the difficulty of keeping it a secret. Especially now, when the man who discloses the facts will become rich and famous.

I am not one to believe the CIA men of 1961-63 (CIA being shorthand for all the shadow warriors from agencies known and unknown) were Nazis, or traitors. Most of them were patriots, and courageous ones at that.

What if someone made up a story (or what if it was really true) that JFK was compromised by his sex life, or his drug taking, or who knows what, and that the failures in Cuba, and SVN, and Laos, and Tibet were the result.

What if that someone were DCI, or the FBI Director?

Do you think there would have been an impeachment, and a Senate trial? I don't.

Do you think, given the choice between a live traitor and a dead hero, that his brother would have aggresively pursued the truth? I don't.

This crime will never be solved.

21 posted on 09/24/2003 7:26:44 AM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: JohnHuang2
You mean there's actual honest-to-God corruption in our government.........argh! (hand ringing here) I simply refuse to believe it. Jennings, Blather & Brokaw would have told us for sure.
22 posted on 09/24/2003 7:35:22 AM PDT by patriot_wes
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To: JohnHuang2
Other facts uncovered by the book include:

Kennedy's brain - a crucial piece of forensic evidence - was stolen by a U.S. Navy admiral, on Robert Kennedy's orders.

This is not new. I remember going to a lecture (around 1987) at my college by a guy who focused on the medical and autopsy aspects of the JFK assassination. I don't remember much about the talk other than "people" who didn't want the truth to be known altered things and didn't let a full examination of JFK's body take place, and this involved doing something with or to his brain. I don't remember if this guy implicated RFK, though. Maybe that's the new part.

23 posted on 09/24/2003 7:47:56 AM PDT by michaelt
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To: All
This subject has been rehashed over and over here on Free Republic. Some people simply cannot accept that a single insignificant deranged man had the means and opportunity to fire a few shots from a short distance, with a cheap but powerful rifle, and kill the President of the United States. It happened folks. Truth is stranger than fiction, in this case.

I was once a conspiracy believer, but after digesting everything I could find on the subject, and after witnessing how OJ's "dream team" made every police screw up look like the conspiracy of the century, I realized that there is absolutely no evidence of anything other than Oswald firing from the sixth floor book depository window.

I have seen the vultures circling delay Plaza in Dallas selling their conspiracy rags. There's no market in selling the truth, so there needs to be a "new killer" all the time. Please don't give these ghouls your money!

24 posted on 09/24/2003 8:31:29 AM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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To: Jim Noble; JohnHuang2
I am not one to believe the CIA men of 1961-63 (CIA being shorthand for all the shadow warriors from agencies known and unknown) were Nazis, or traitors. Most of them were patriots, and courageous ones at that.

That was my problem for years in making sense of the various conspiracy theories surrounding the murder. The details of what happened and how were always pretty clear and pretty undeniable. The mystery that left it all hard to swallow was the "why". The theories always presume some kind of evil cabal who wanted to destroy Camelot, and none of it ever really made any sense.

The light came on for me a few years ago, ironically after reading an aricle in George magazine. Ironic, because they published the story of the Tibetan freedom fighters, and what happened to them. It was disgusting.

I had read bits and pieces for years about them, and about the embittered CIA men whose handiwork had gone for nothing, but had never read the details until that article. The details have since been written elsewhere as well.

The army was killed to the last man, of course, with phone calls to the White House going unanswered.

About the same time I read of the wife of a CIA man who was a Kennedy mistress, who was murdered while jogging, not that that's a big issue...

Anyway, after reading the George article, a light went on in my head. I thought also about the very bitter CIA officers whose men were betrayed and killed at the Bay of Pigs, and it just hit me. What would you do? The evil cabal defending the Federal Reserve System never made sense, the evil cabal wanting to make big bucks in Viet Nam never made sense, but a coup to remove a rogue president makes perfect sense to me. This was the height of the Cold War, and it was very a deadly serious time. People weren't fooling around.

In any other country in the world, it is understood that if the president goes beyond the pale, at some point a panel of military officers will remove him. He can go quietly into exile, or he can go the hard way, but he goes.

There is no tradition of military defense of civilian institutions in our country, so exile is not an option. That leaves the hard way.

The thought you expressed that it would be hard to keep something like this secret, I have considered, and finally dismissed. The fact is that it isn't secret at all. All of the facts in the case are known. Everyone knows them. And everyone knows that if they draw the logical conclusions based on what they know, we all agree to consider them a kook. So everyone knows, but knows in silence. The case is unsolvable because we have in effect agreed that it is unsolvable. There is an interesting study in mass psychology there for anyone who wants to dig into it.

Something similar occurred when Clinton was caught taking money from Chinese intelligence. Everyone knows, everyone has agreed not to know. [The events surrounding the JFK episode were sufficiently traumatizing that no one in the security services was going to move against Clinton, or perhaps he had enough allies there to protect him from forceable removal.]

There was, of course, a long list of people who died in the few months after JFK's death, and the people who were directly complicit took their story to the grave. But it really isn't a secret what happened, just the who and why. They have, as you said, been content to let him be lionized by his biographers. It is this lionization that makes the crime inexplicable. If he was who his biographers said he was, why would anyone take him from us? But he wasn't, and the decision to remove him was probably shared out among several, including Johnson and Earl Warren. Hoover. And the "shadow warrior" chiefs.

25 posted on 09/24/2003 11:20:56 AM PDT by marron
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To: Doctor Stochastic
If all the people positively identified as being on the grassy knoll were to have a reunion, they wouldn't fit into Yankee Stadium.

I always figured it was Joe DiMaggio. ;~))

26 posted on 09/24/2003 11:35:54 AM PDT by Ditto ( No trees were killed in sending this message, but billions of electrons were inconvenienced.)
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To: marron; All
but a coup to remove a rogue president makes perfect sense to me. This was the height of the Cold War, and it was very a deadly serious time. People weren't fooling around.

The 40th anniversary of the Dallas Event is bound to bring new interest, and new revelations.

For one thing, the spread of technology was not counted upon.

The Voice Stress Analyser was not in private hands...Oswald apparantly gave truthful answers to press questions when he said he was a "patsy."

Also, computers were still in air conditioned rooms...the rudimentary PC's were almost 20 years away. Dotto Photoshop and Forensic Software. What does that have to do with anything???

Try a scan of the "official" autopsy Photographs...and shade the "mortician's wax" additions...Kennedy's face is made up of most of it.

Look, I'm not an assination buff...just someone who watches the History Channel. Every few years they run "The Men who Killed Kennedy", and each time they seem to add another volume of evidence.

And, of course, The New York Slimes as always ignores it, or goes ballistic, as when "X-Files" summarizes the informed opinion in a Dream Sequence between two characters in a Sci Fi episode.

27 posted on 09/24/2003 12:22:06 PM PDT by Lael (Bush to Middle Class: Send your kids to DIE in Iraq while I send your LIVELIHOODS to INDIA!)
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To: marron
a light went on in my head

Most murder victims are not killed because they are good.

And any reasonable homicide investigation begins with, "who wanted to kill him", which usually leads directly to the dark side of the victim.

I wrote this in 1994:

Most of the researchers theories of which I am aware about the motive for the crime can be summarized as: "JFK was killed because he was good" (insert your preferred goodness here: Getting us out of Vietnam, opposing the Federal Reserve, wanting peace with Cuba/USSR, prosecuting the Mafia, etc). Of course, there was obvious government participation in the immediate aftermath of the crime, and also probably in the crime itself, AND the participants have kept their secret for 34 years.

This requires that you believe that many actors had motive not just to do the crime, and not just to cover it up, but to sustain the coverup for a generation. Now, I find it implausible that so many people would be able to sustain such an incredible effort for so long UNLESS THEY BELIEVED THAT THEY WERE DOING THE RIGHT THING. The person who cracks this crime will be famous and also have material rewards. There is a major incentive to tell the truth now, and none to lie, unless there is an underground story or legend WHICH REMAINS PERSUASIVE TODAY about why the coverup should continue.

When a normal person is killed unexpectedly, the search for a motive begins not with the victim's good points, but with the passions and behaviors which might have brought another person to commit homicide. This search for a motive often reveals new and unanticipated facts about the victim. Such facts about JFK may be available now, or may appear in future books and papers.

It is my own view that JFK was caught in a vortex of his own making, of aggressive anti-Communism, secret operations involving extralegal and extraconstitutional use of force, and his personal life. These were his passions: (Pay any price, bear any burden, Green Berets, covert ops, compulsive sexual behavior, undermine the institutions by numerous back-channel connections to lower-echelon types not afraid to take chances, etc.) If you were, say, Hoover, and you wanted him dead, how easy it would have been to make up a story (and how much easier if the story were true) for Allen Dulles, or others, that JFK had been sexually compromised (or pick another vice of your choice) by a Russian agent, and that the secret deal not to invade Cuba was the result. An impeachment trial, so the story would go, would leave the country weak and defenseless at a time when almost everyone, not just a few nuts, thought the reds were scaling the walls (Cuba, Berlin, Laos, duck and cover in my fifth grade class, etc). In order to save the nation the agony of a treason trial in the Senate, why not let a few good men take care of the problem in a way which will leave a dead hero.

The virtue of this scenario is that it provides the remaining actors who are still alive just as much reason to keep quiet today as in 1963.

28 posted on 09/24/2003 12:27:15 PM PDT by Jim Noble
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To: JohnHuang2
Noting all U.S. deportations were executed by the
Immigration and Naturalization Service, the authors ask:
"Why would an authority of the United States Justice Department
deport a known terrorist?"

The INS was part of the DOJ.

Under it's new incarnation it's known as
the Bureau of Citizenship and immigration Services (BCIS)
and is now part of the new Dept of Homeland Security.

29 posted on 09/24/2003 12:38:50 PM PDT by ASA Vet (1st Vietnam KIA: ASA Sp/4 James T. Davis)
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To: PhilDragoo
So that was QJ/WIN. He was associated with the Corsican Mafia and drawn into this through the CIA/Mafia attempts against Castro.

Those attempts were hidden from both the President and Attorney General and even Dulles' successor at CIA. Harvey lied to RFK about these attempts and continued to run them for months after he was explicitly ordered to stop them.

Apparently these efforts continued until the late summer/early fall of '63. When they finally stopped it looks as though the apparatus was turned around and targeted JFK rather than Castro.

It is important to note that the CIA admitted after the fact that several of the conspirators charged by Garrison were, in fact, connected to the Agency. In Shaw's case for decades. But the quantity of lies told by the FBI and CIA is gigantic.

If you want to read something interesting read Dean Andrews' interview by the Warren Commission particularly his comments of the possibility of LHO being able to do the shooting.

It is also interesting to see the disbelief of those who knew Oswald that he could have done it and to see the number of witnesses who did not think the shots came from the TSBD.
And to catalogue the number of exhibits embarassing to the LoneNut theory which are MISSING. Gee, I wonder why.
30 posted on 09/24/2003 12:48:36 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: veronica
...amazing how this lunacy continues.

See: "Jack the Ripper". "Roswell". Amelia Earhart. Kidnapping of Lindburgh's child.

What I want to know about the Kennedys is how 1.) Ted Kennedy can still get elected, and 2.) How can his liver take the alleged abuse?

31 posted on 09/24/2003 1:00:26 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: swilhelm73
The available evidence indicates that JFK and RFK put a stop to the attempts on Castro as soon as it came to their knowledge. Not only were these attempts initiated before they took office but their attempts to stop them were ignored by William Harvey, the CIA man in charge. Harvey even kept his boss, the new director, McCone, in the dark about these attempts and the CIA/Mafia linkages.

Some of these operatives acted as though they were a law onto themselves and answerable to no one. They are the ones who assembled the Mafia team for the Castro hit and it was from that team that the killers of JFK were to come. However, I believe that the mob would have never allowed this to happen had it not been sure that a coverup would keep the truth from coming out. Otherwise the revelation that the Mafia had killed the President of the United States would have meant a full scale all out attack by the US upon it. One that would have been even worse than what it was undergoing at the hands of RFK which was already massive in scale.
32 posted on 09/24/2003 1:07:11 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: veronica
Baloney. The only person who supposedly saw a shooter at the window was legally blind. (I can't remember his name at the moment. )
33 posted on 09/24/2003 1:16:15 PM PDT by JoeA
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To: veronica
That is totally false or these "witnesses" were lying. You think the shooter hung out the window to do it even if one accepts the claim that shots even came from the sixth floor?
Other "witnesses" saw TWO men in the window.

This "lunacy" continues because of the many patent lies told TO the Warren Commission by the FBI and CIA and BY the Warren Commission about the shots, capability of the rifle and "shooter" and witnesses with contrary information ignored by the WC. Many of these lies have been revealed decades later through the FIA. FIA requests have also revealed that many documents with information contradicting the LoneNut Theory are conveniently missing.

But the biggest reason is because most realize that it was virtually impossible for LHO to have shot well enough with any rifle to do it in the time available and this particular rifle was a complete POS impossible even to aim accurately because the scope was mismounted and unadjustable to do as claimed. It would have been hard to find a worse rifle. And every indication is LHO LIKED JFK

In fact, close examination with a critical eye of almost ANY aspect of the Commission's claims shows them to be a house of cards which collapses with the slightest breeze. The Zapruder film clearly shows JFK's head being blown apart by a shot from the front. Spare me the "Jet Effect" crap, too.
34 posted on 09/24/2003 1:22:33 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
J. Eddgar Hoover was owned by the Mob. It is well documented that he had extensive dealings with Frank Costello.
35 posted on 09/24/2003 1:25:34 PM PDT by appeal2
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To: norton
Evidence for the withdrawal from Vietnam comes from Col. Fletcher Prouty who was a briefing officer for JFK and liason between the CIA and the Joint Chiefs. He produced the NSC memoranda to support his claims.

Leftist had nothing to do with THAT.

You believe RFK knew JFK was going to be hit? ROTFLMAO.

Certainly Hoover did, having been warned repeatedly by informants. But he made sure RFK did not receive that info.
36 posted on 09/24/2003 1:28:54 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
The idea that someone from a building shooting JFK with a cheap scoped rifle has *never* been that hard for me to believe. Seems that security was crap then, and they got nailed for it.

I strongly believe that if stupid jerk Ruby hadn't killed Oswald, he would've eventually confessed. Ruby's garbage about how he couldn't talk about bigger things is just that, insanity. He had every opportunity to do so for *years* afterwards.
37 posted on 09/24/2003 1:29:28 PM PDT by Monty22
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To: Jim Noble
Why don't you look a LITTLE into the careers of William Harvey, and Richard Helms before you make Saints of CIA operatives? Examine their testimony where they describe lying to their superiors and blatantly admit they would lie to the Warren Commission and ANYONE else in order to protect the Agency.

Many of these operators' first loyalty was to the Agency NOT to the United States.
38 posted on 09/24/2003 1:34:53 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: SoCal Pubbie
Not only was the rifle total crap but the scope was improperly attached so that it could not shoot accurately. Nor could it have been adjusted to do so.

Read the testimony of the gun shop operators and craftsmen to the Warren Commission where they discuss the complete unlikelihood of this being done with this rifle.

The Mannlicher was just a throw away intended to tie Oswald to this act.

Oswald liked JFK and had no motive to shoot him. As he said during an interview killing him would produce no change since he would be replaced and the same policies would continue. He had no illusions that LBJ would dramatically reverse the US policy towards Cuba or the USSR.
39 posted on 09/24/2003 1:43:23 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (America's Enemies foreign and domestic agree. Bush must be destroyed.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
Try reading CASE CLOSED, by Gerald Posner.
40 posted on 09/24/2003 1:44:56 PM PDT by veronica (http://www.PetitionOnline.com/bombings/petition.html - Homicide bombings = war crimes - sign this!)
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