Issa, who started recall, now tells voters to reject it

San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 09-23-2003 | John Wildermuth

[polyiguana]

The GOP congressman whose money put the recall on the ballot urged Republicans Monday to keep Democratic Gov. Gray Davis in office if neither Arnold Schwarzenegger nor Tom McClintock pulls out of the race by election day.

"If two major Republicans remain on the ballot, I'd advise you to vote 'no' on the recall," said Rep. Darrell Issa, R-Vista (San Diego County), who spent more than $1.6 million of his own money to help gather signatures to recall Davis.

[polyiguana]

Sorry to RGSpinich for doubting him on this. Interesting stuff.

[BonnieJ]

And McClintock will hear these words and suggest Issa is asking Schwarzenegger to drop out. That seems to be the trend in his interpretation of everything so far.

What is it with his constantly comparing his stance to Reagan's...in a primary? He is no Reagan and this is no primary. It's become unbelievable.

[b9]

>>> He is no Reagan and this is no primary <<<

You're so right.
Issa should be listened to.

I think he was expecting Tom to drop out at the convention. (I called Issa's office to confirm his comment about McClintock telling him he wouldn't be a spoiler and they said "just wait til the convention :::wink, wink::: a lot is going to happen")

More than ever it seems, the only thing 'pure' about Tom is his purely blind ambition.

[mercy]

Obviously McClintock is demanding a high price for dropping out. I'd guess total commitment from Arnold and the party in his next effort .... a run for the senate against Boxer. I hope this is the case anyway. I was smart enough to leave Californicate eight years ago. The rest of you ought to wise up. Arnold is probably going to prove to be a bad joke but who knows? He cannot be worse than the Rat party in power. The Allan Keyes type Republican voters on the Left coast need to realize they are not voting for a new pastor ... they're voting for a politician. I can't vote cause I don't live there any more but we have a lot of money tied up in municipal bonds out there. Get real you poor fools who still live there. Protect my money! Please!

[Coeur de Lion]

This has already been posted and as usual led to the typical McClintock vs. Schwarzenegger diatribe from our mathematically "challenged" compatriots.

Let's see in the poll on this web-site Arnold and Tom both get around 50%. I know this isn't exactly correct and that Tom is leading Arnold but that's close enough. Assume that percentage is exactly the number of conservative votes Arnold is getting. That reduces Arnold's percentage of the votes to 13% if he drops out and that will go to Tom. That'll put Tom at 27%, which is around what Arnold now has. Which by the way, on the surface, looks like a good thing. Question: What happens to the other 13%--who do they vote for?

[ambrose]

Issa sounds like a little cry baby who is threatening to pick up his marbles and walk away. What a joke.

I am sick and tired of these politicians trying to game this recall race based off polling data which has been jumping all over the place. Vote the way your heart tells you, count the ballots, and see how things turn out on October 8th.

Simple.

[ambrose]

check this out.

[b9]

>>> ...they are not voting for a new pastor <<<

Oh, please say that louder.
Why, oh, why can't they see that?

[b9]

You're using Math Won - oh - Won.

[Fledermaus]

Yeah, Issa thought he'd be the big man on the totem poll by paying for the recall.

He tried to play "behind the scenes" and that bit him in the buttocks. If he couldn't see McClintock and Arnold jumping in, then I'm surprised the man made so much money.

But the "I hate McClintock" moderates that truly drink the "any R is good" koolaid are going to be horribly disappointed.

Does anyone really believe that Arnold as governor is going to do ANYTHING to help the GOP in California? More koolaid.

He will not cut spending, not even in the sense of lowering the projected increase which idiots in government and the press call a "cut". He will not go back to the period before massive baseline increases that are based on ridiculous revenue projections (revenue projections that, if done by some corporate CEO like Kenneth Lay at Enron, would be considered a crime by the same worthless, spinless, worms in Congress if those projections boosted Enron's stock price that they themselves were cut in on with in sweetheart deals like Terry McAuliffe and WorldCom) and roll back to those levels. No politician of any party does.

[ambrose]

Agreed. Did Issa really believe he'd get to be governor by default simply because he funded this thing? Or become a kingmaker? And he didn't even anticipate that other candidates would run in the recall replacement election? Pathetic.

Now like a petulant little baby, he wants to pick up his marbles and go home.

What's really killing us are all the attempts to "game" this recall via polling. The polling has been all over the place. 32% undecided on the replacement race in most polls. 32% undecided with two weeks to go!

[Tamzee]

Arnold will be cutting spending and is coming out with a budget proposal soon... I thought we would see it just prior to the debate.

John Cogan is Arnold's top fiscal advisor, and it is John Cogan that is advising Arnold about budget cuts and taxes... The very John Cogan that structured Bush's tax cut proposals in 2000.

"In the Schwarzenegger campaign, his profile is lower than former Treasury Secretary George Shultz, his colleague at Stanford's Hoover Institution. But Cogan has drawn the critical job of overseeing the budget planning process and turning the candidate's anti-tax pledge into real policy."

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/982393/posts

[Tamzee]

"Issa said. "If Tom is still in the same position, with about half of what Arnold has, he's the one who will have to make the hard decision."

[b9]

WooHOO...

Hear that , TOM?

[BonnieJ]

How many votes will go to the other 130 candidates? Will they get enough as a group to even register in percentages?

[Maelstrom]

"He cannot be worse than the Rat party in power."

Yes...he can.

Liberals pushed Arnold's candidacy, they're in a no-lose position. A vote for Arnold ensures you keep Bustamante or Davis.

[Maelstrom]

Then we can expect, John Cogan through Arnold, to give California a pathetically small tax cut and record-increases in government spending.

[=Intervention=]

"But as the lone Democrat in the replacement race"

This is a lie. He is the only MAJOR Democrat in the replacement race, but there are plenty of others running as Democrats.

[=Intervention=]

"More than ever it seems, the only thing 'pure' about Tom is his purely blind ambition. "

When in doubt, smear the candidate. It doesn't amaze me any longer that Arnold supporters have more in common (tactic-wise, if not belief-wise) with Democrats than they do with conservatives.

[=Intervention=]

"Arnold is probably going to prove to be a bad joke but who knows? He cannot be worse than the Rat party in power."

This is your hope. The reality of electing a liberal to power means a continuance of the status-quo in the long run (it's for the children, remember?) despite any short-term pyrotechnics.