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Should only healthy babies be born?
BBC ^
| 19 SEP 03
| By Kirsten Lass
Posted on 09/21/2003 11:50:50 PM PDT by greydog
BBC Radio Current Affairs
Medical science has advanced to such a stage that we are within a few years of being able to detect more and more diseases and disabilities in the womb.
Already some women found to have babies with abnormalities are under pressure to terminate.
Is it right that we should strive to create a world increasingly free of disability and disease in this way?
Currently, tests for Down's Syndrome are offered to women believed to have a high risk of the genetic condition, and by 2004, the government has pledged that every pregnant woman will have the opportunity to have the test.
The vast majority of women choose to terminate a foetus when they know for sure their baby has Down's Syndrome.
You're talking about eradicating a whole section of the population - it's state sanctified eugenics
But the Five Live Report has found at least some women are being pressurised to terminate.
And critics of the screening process say there is a presumption among some of the medical profession that women will terminate - a presumption that will extend to more and more abnormalities as scientific advance continues.
Professor Hilary Rose, a sociologist with the Open University, believes women often find themselves on a "conveyor belt" they can't get off, and are overwhelmed by a system that can assume they want to terminate if abnormalities are found.
"That doesn't seem to me to be a healthy way to run an antenatal service", she says.
Some women actually feel pressurised toward a decision to terminate even when the problem with their baby is correctable.
'Terminate your son'
Lynn and David were delighted when they found out Lynn was expecting their first child. But their joy didn't last long.
"Within two or three minutes, the radiographer who was doing the scan said, 'Ah, there's a bit of a problem, there's something wrong with your baby's bowel'," said Lynn.
The baby had exomphalos - a condition where the abdominal organs grow outside the body.
The couple was offered three choices - to do nothing, to have another test to see if there were further problems, or to terminate.
They were also told their baby could have corrective surgery after it was born.
But Lynn and David felt the hospital was pushing them towards just one option.
As Lynn remembers: "It was like 'Termination' - big capital letters. 'It's not worth it, just get rid of it now dear. And then you can try a bit later on for another baby'."
David agrees they "felt at every single stage [the hospital staff] thought the best option would be termination."
But they refused to terminate and Lynn gave birth to a boy. William's condition was serious and he needed several operations.
"Sometimes I felt selfish", Lynn explains, "and thought why have I done this, to make your child suffer like that and maybe it would have been better to have spared him this."
She cries as she thinks back to the tense times when they carried him into the operating theatre.
But their son is now a healthy, happy three-year-old.
David stresses they both feel they made the right decision.
"While you're going through that in the hospital, you think why the heck have we done this, we're making this little lad suffer," he said.
"But when you see him being cheeky and smiling at the nurses, we know we were spot on."
Some believe that as we offer the chance to terminate for more conditions, society is becoming increasingly intolerant towards babies who are born with abnormalities.
Nazi echoes
Bill Albert, from the Council of Disabled People, believes we need to "face up to what's going on and not say this is about choice, this is about elimination".
Eugenics is the attempt to create fine healthy children and that's everyone's ambition
He says what is happening has echoes of eugenics - the idea developed over a century ago that we could create the perfect human race by encouraging people with desirable genes to have more children.
The Nazis took this to extremes and killed people they thought were imperfect.
"You're talking about eradicating a whole section of the population" says Mr Albert, "It's state sanctified eugenics".
Eugenics is a term that John Harris, a bioethicist at Manchester University is also prepared to use, but sees this as a laudable aim.
"Eugenics is the attempt to create fine healthy children and that's everyone's ambition."
He believes couples who choose to have babies even when there are problems are "misguided" and the more we can screen out disability, pain and suffering the better.
"We're not trying to do this through killing people or eliminating individuals, we're trying to do this by making choices about which people will exist in the future."
That's not a future sociologist Hilary Rose wants to be part of. She's worried we might end up terminating all foetuses that aren't perfect.
"We need badly to stand back and look at the whole picture", she says with some despair.
"After all, we don't have to take up everything science and technology offers us."
TOPICS: Culture/Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; abortionlist; eugenics; prolife; transhumanism
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To: bigcat00
A rookie? You've been here three years! :) Guess you don't post often? There have been quite a few double posts lately, maybe something in the system.
When I was pregnant with my now nine-month-old, my triple-screen tested high for the possibility of Downs. I was given the option of having an amnio or a more intensive ultrasound. I said what's the point, it's not like we'd abort anyway. And my daughter was born completely healthy.
I have a hard time believing that the "vast majority" would choose to abort Downs babies as the article stated. I'm sure you're daughter is a joy and a blessing to your entire family. (7 kids...my you are brave...)
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09/22/2003 4:29:58 AM PDT
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agrace
To: greydog
The vast majority of women choose to terminate a foetus when they know for sure their baby has Down's Syndrome. "Better dead than Down's," I guess.
Does this mean that we should murder all of those living with Down's Syndrome too?
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09/22/2003 4:35:50 AM PDT
by
Aquinasfan
(Isaiah 22:22, Rev 3:7, Mat 16:19)
To: OXENinFLA
Santorum has made his point. Clinton is in favor of eugenics. Is anyone surprised?
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09/22/2003 4:43:26 AM PDT
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RobbyS
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To: MarMema
A "dehumanizing of the disabled" ping!
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09/22/2003 4:46:03 AM PDT
by
Marie Antoinette
(I'm too lazy to log myself in)
And what about "defects" that may some day be correctable? I have been nearly legally blind since I was 4 or 5, maybe earlier. But a few weeks ago , I had lasik surgery and my vision is now 20/15. That surgery wasn't even dreamed of when I was born. Who knows...Maybe other forms of "defectiveness" may some day be correctable, too.
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09/22/2003 4:55:47 AM PDT
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kaylar
To: OXENinFLA
Excellent post, thank you for the transcript. Was that from the most recent senate debate on the PBA ban?
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09/22/2003 4:57:59 AM PDT
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agrace
To: agrace
We had some of the same pressure for tests "just in case," not just on our youngest, but on some of our earlier kids. And, like you, its not that abortion was an option anyway.
Anyone who thinks Down Syndrome children would be better off aborted ought to hang around them a while. There are no people on earth more capable of love and happiness.
Interesting how liberalism eventually stops being
"liberal," isn't it? "Tolerance" becomes intolerant, "compassion" ends up with abortion and euthanasia.
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09/22/2003 5:02:16 AM PDT
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bigcat00
To: greydog
A good friend of ours has a daughter with Down's Syndrome. That child is the happiest, most loving creature God has ever graced this planet with. She is a perpetual child, and is innocence incarnate. The thought that someone like her would be "terminated" because she is not "perfect" sickens me to the extreme. I would gladly take one of her over a million "perfect" kids of the elitists. I don't want to live in a world where such innocent beauty is considered defective, and where it can be so casually destroyed. We saw it happen in Nazi Germany, and we're starting to go the same way.
To: bigcat00
Don't sweat the double posts. Practically everybody here has done it...multiple times.
George Will has written movingly about his son Jon, who has Down's Syndrome, and who is now grown up.
To: geopyg
"I wonder if I would've made the cutoff. I was born with a severe club foot." Yeah, I wondered the same thing. I was born with a heart murmur which required yearly visits to the medical center for tests when I was growing up, one which I was supposed to have outgrown by age 15. I never did outgrow it, but have never had a minute's trouble because of it and I'm a grandmother now. I have, so far, had a perfectly normal life.....well, as normal as an individual with FReeper tendencies is likely to have anyway.
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09/22/2003 5:23:32 AM PDT
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sweetliberty
("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
To: agrace
"I have a hard time believing that the "vast majority" would choose to abort Downs babies as the article stated" In Europe one never knows. I certainly wouldn't think it to be true here. Those people are a different breed it seems. It is sad beyond words that we are even having this discussion.
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09/22/2003 5:29:38 AM PDT
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sweetliberty
("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
To: OXENinFLA
"if the Senator can explain to me how the U.S. Government, through the criminal law process, will be making these decisions without infringing upon fundamental rights, without imposing onerous burdens on women and their families, I would be more than happy to listen" By her reckoning I suppose the law is supposed to stay out of it if a family decides to dispose of one or more of their kids at any point in their lives. That woman makes me sick.
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09/22/2003 5:38:34 AM PDT
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sweetliberty
("Having the right to do a thing is not at all the same thing as being right in doing it.")
To: greydog
Some women actually feel pressurised toward a decision to terminate even when the problem with their baby is correctable.
How does Europe's Socialist, cradle to grave, health care system play into all this?
The doctor's are owned by the government, and it's these same doctor's who are making decisions about who lives (and gets treatment paid for by government health care), and who gets terminated (and isn't a drag on the governments health care budget).
It's like letting the foxes guard the hen house.
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09/22/2003 6:06:04 AM PDT
by
Noachian
(Liberalism belongs to the Fool, the Fraud, and the Vacuous.)
To: agrace
To: RobbyS
What happens to people who become disabled through accident/crippling disease/age?
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Operation Jell-O Freep for Terri Schiavo
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Tampa Tribune has poll on Terri Schiavo
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Posted by kattracks On 09/11/2003 3:59 PM EDT with 13 comments
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Terri Schindler-Schiavo's Story on Bill O' Reilly NOW
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On WFLA Tampa now - Terri Schiavo review is denied
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Posted by I still care On 08/22/2003 3:07 PM EDT with 172 comments
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Posted by NYer On 08/27/2003 1:33 PM EDT with 185 comments
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Posted by kattracks On 08/27/2003 4:12 PM EDT with 19 comments
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Terri Schiavo's Parents File Emergency Motion To Prevent Her Death
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Posted by nickcarraway On 08/18/2003 7:52 PM EDT with 31 comments
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Posted by kattracks On 09/03/2003 9:09 PM EDT with 71 comments
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Disabled Woman's Family, Former Nurses Seek Inquiry (Terri Schindler Schiavo)
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Posted by kattracks On 09/11/2003 5:46 AM EDT with 27 comments
CNSNews.com ^ | 9/10/03 | Jeff Johnson Capitol Hill (CNSNews.com) - Supporters of a disabled Florida woman embroiled in a euthanasia battle with her husband called Wednesday for a criminal investigation into the husband's alleged abuse of his incapacitated wife. The request comes just days after three of Terri Schindler Schiavo's former caregivers submitted sworn affidavits detailing a years-long history of denied medical care, altered or destroyed medical records, and alleged attempts by Michael Schiavo to kill his wife. Schiavo has repeatedly denied the allegations, as has his attorney, George Felos. Felos was quoted in the Tampa Tribune as saying that claims of abuse by the former...
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Lawyers, Fearful Parents Report That Terri Schiavo Is Out Of Danger
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Posted by Theodore R. On 08/22/2003 9:03 AM EDT with 22 comments
Tampa, FL, Tribune ^ | 08-16-03 | Sommer, David Lawyers, Fearful Parents Report That Schiavo Is Out Of Danger By DAVID SOMMER dsommer@tampatrib.com Published: Aug 16, 2003 CLEARWATER - Terri Schiavo was hospitalized Wednesday after coughing up blood, her husband's attorney said Friday. The bleeding has since stopped, and the 39-year-old woman, at the center of a legal battle over whether she should be allowed to die, is out of immediate danger, lawyer George Felos said. The cause of the bleeding has not been identified, Felos said. Schiavo's parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, said they were not told of their daughter's hospitalization and found out about it only after...
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Judge sets Oct. 15 as date to remove Terri Schiavo's feeding tube
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Posted by amdgmary On 09/17/2003 6:52 PM EDT with 96 comments
Bay News 9 (Tampa Bay area) ^ | September 17, 2003 Judge sets Oct. 15 as date to remove Terri Schiavo's feeding tube Wednesday, September 17th Terri suffered a heart attack in 1990. The case of Terri Schiavo may finally be nearing an end. On Wednesday, Pinellas-Pasco Circuit Court Judge George Greer set Oct. 15 at 2 p.m. as the date to remove the artificial feeding tube that has been keeping the 39-year-old Pinellas woman alive for the past 13 years. In another ruling, Greer denied Terri's parents' request for immediate therapy for their daughter. They had hoped she could be taught to swallow food even if the feeding tube is...
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Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer:
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Posted by Ragtime Cowgirl On 08/28/2003 8:20 AM EDT with 5,211 comments
Various ^ | August 28, 2003 Freepers, we may be able to help Terri:I made some phone calls today and have the ULTIMATE PHONE CALL for registering a Complaint against Judge Greer. I can't reveal my sources but this is the phone number for a few pay grades above J. Greer. Call the: Judicial Qualifications Commission at #1-850-488-1581. I am complaining to them tomorrow that J. Greer isn't God, that he's been in the husband's corner since Day One, he doesn't care a wit about Terri's parents or her husband's attempt at medical neglect, and I'd like to know if Greer can be recalled or impeached....
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FREEP POLL-Should Terri Schiavo's feeding tube be removed? (Disabled Woman in Pinellas Co. FL)
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Posted by windchime On 09/15/2003 8:17 PM EDT with 40 comments
Tampa Bay Online ^ | 9-15-03 | Tampa Bay Online For history see:Freepers call to action re. Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Make a complaint against Judge Greer:
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Hospice Patients Alliance Blasts Hospice Agencies (Terri Schindler-Schiavo's Fight)
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Posted by floriduh voter On 09/05/2003 9:44 PM EDT with 51 comments
Hospice Patients Alliance | 10-15-2002 | Ron Panzer Hospice Patients Alliance Blasts Hospice Agencies That Terrorize the Chronically Disabled by Ron Panzer, President HPA GRAND RAPIDS, MI - October 15, 2002 - Terri Schiavo currently is being held in a Pinellas County Florida hospice that is not licensed to provide care for the chronically ill. Terri Schiavo is a non-terminal disabled patient with brain damage. Terri's own treating physician, Dr. Vincent Gambone, testified before the court,saying "her condition is one that there is no recovery. The damage that is done to the brain is not repairable."1 However, the chronically disabled are by definition not going to recover completely....
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Enforcing the "Right to Die":The Case of Terri Schiavo
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Posted by MarMema On 09/07/2003 4:17 PM EDT with 91 comments
Life Issues ^ | August 2003 | Nancy Valko Terri is not a convicted murderer. She is not terminally ill. Instead, she is a 39-year-old severely brain-injured woman whose parents and siblings, the Schindler family, have been waging a long legal battle to prevent Terri's husband and the legal system from ending her life.1 In July, 2003, Terri was granted perhaps her last "stay of execution" by a Florida appeals court before her case is returned to Judge George Greer, a Florida judge who has previously and repeatedly ordered Terri's tube feedings stopped. Although this will give the family's lawyers some time to file an appeal with the Florida...
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AnnaZ's Interview w/ Bob Schindler, Jr. - Terri Schindler-Schiavo's brother [Rough Transcript]
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Posted by Ragtime Cowgirl On 09/06/2003 9:58 PM EDT with 30 comments
AnnaZ's "RADIOFR'S *UNSPUN* TONITE: TERRI'S FIGHT" ^ | Sept. 6, 2003, from Sept. 4 interview | AnnaZ and Bob Schindler, Jr. Unspun with AnnaZ (& 'Feinie') - w/ guest Bob Schindler, Jr., brother of Terri Schindler-Schiavo. Thurs. Sept. 4, 2003, Rough transcription - minus the first few questions and using a scratchy tape - beginning, sorry. Time is short. (Terri 'collapsed' at age 26, in 1991) A: What is your belief about what caused this collapse? B: Well, at the time, we weren't certain. I didn't suspect that her husband could possibly be behind it. We were all very concerned with her well being, but it wasn't until recently - last year - that some very disturbing, troubling, medical evidence surfaced -...
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Supreme Court Won't Hear Appeal of Family of Brain-Damaged Woman (Florida-Terri Schiavo)
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Posted by nickcarraway On 08/22/2003 4:50 PM EDT with 98 comments
Gainesville Sun ^ | August 22. 2003 | JACKIE HALLIFAX The Florida Supreme Court on Friday declined to get involved in the legal fight over a brain-damaged woman, clearing the way for her husband to have her feeding tube removed so she can die. Terri Schiavo, 39, has been at the center of a long battle between her parents, Bob and Mary Schindler, and her husband, Michael Schiavo. Michael Schiavo contends his wife would not want to be kept alive in what doctors call a persistent vegetative state. The Schindlers believe she can be rehabilitated and have fought her husband's efforts in the Florida courts. "The Florida Supreme Court has,...
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Another 9-11 date with death: Jane Chastain decries agonizing death planned for Terri Schiavo
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Posted by JohnHuang2 On 09/04/2003 3:14 AM EDT with 113 comments
WorldNetDaily.com ^ | Thursday, September 4, 2003 | Jane Chastain What do you call a country that sentences its prisoners to death by starvation and dehydration? Barbaric, inhumane perhaps? Fasts, even hunger strikes, often are self-imposed for periods of time. However, no one in his right mind passes up fluids. Death by dehydration is a painful, agonizing and arduous process that takes 10 to 14 days. In addition to feeling the pangs of hunger and thirst, the skin, lips and tongue crack. The nose bleeds because of the drying of the mucus membranes. Heaving and vomiting may ensue because of the drying out of the stomach lining. The victim may...
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Terri Schiavo's fate is once again in the hands of the court [Emergency hearing today!]
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Posted by Ragtime Cowgirl On 09/15/2003 11:28 AM EDT with 192 comments
Bay News 9 ^ | Sept. 15, 2003 Terri Schiavo's fate is once again in the hands of the court Monday, September 15th A feeding tube has been keeping Terri alive for the last 13 years. A Pinellas County judge will hold an emergency hearing today to decide if Terri Schiavo should have a chance at treatment before doctors remove her feeding tube. This week the judge in the Terri Schiavo case may set a date for Terri's artificial feeding tube to be removed. But in yet another emergency hearing in this case Terri's parents want to know for sure what will happen when it is removed....
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From JEB to FR: Full text of Gov Bush's letter to Judge Greer re: Terri Schiavo
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Posted by summer On 08/27/2003 9:43 AM EDT with 125 comments
Email from Gov Bush to summer, for FR | Aug. 27, 2003 | FL Gov Jeb Bush Note to FR, from summer: Yesterday I emailed Gov Bush, thanking him for taking action in this matter. I mentioned to him that I hadn't seen a full text of the letter he wrote to the judge, and I would like to read it. I then received it this morning by email from his office. After that, I noticed his letter -- while not published in full by any of the newspapers I saw -- is also available and does exist in a download on Teri's web site. However, for those unable to access that download, and who, like me,...
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TERRI SCHINDLER SCHIAVO CALLING ALL FREEPERS Pt2 Disabled FL woman given Death Sentence by FL Courts
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Posted by pc93 On 09/21/2003 3:13 PM EDT with 138 comments
09-21-03 | pc93 Terri's Call to Action Part 1 is over 5000 posts. If you don't want to get caught up to speed at Part 1: http://www.freerepublic.com Simply visit Terri's official web site at: http://www.terrisfight.org There are contact numbers at her web site for her core media team, legislators, media and for press updates. See flash movies of Terri interacting with her mother, responding to a physician and see for yourself that she's not in PVS "persistant vegetative state"). In addition to access a text file with a lot of information see: http://bellsouthpwp.net If you want to join Terri's fight, it's important for...
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09/22/2003 7:00:48 AM PDT
by
NYer
(Catholic and living it.)
To: NYer
Back in '54 the Doc told my mother she wasn't pregnant and needed a D & C (my folks already had 5 kids by then.) Thank God she quickly changed Docs so I could be born( at 2lbs 2oz!)
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posted on
09/22/2003 8:52:11 AM PDT
by
Domestic Church
(AMDG... Yippee, we have electricity again!)
To: greydog
Two words: "Stephen Hawking."
Next question?
To: geopyg
I know how you feel. When I was born, my mother was told that I was severely brain damaged and I'd never be more than a veg. They recommended that she place me in an institution. They were wrong.
Drs give up too easily.
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posted on
09/22/2003 9:21:30 AM PDT
by
Marie
(I smell... COFFEE! coffeecoffeecoffeecoffee! COFFEE!!)
To: greydog
I have a Downs-Syndrome grandchild. Most loveable and loving person areound!
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posted on
09/22/2003 9:23:22 AM PDT
by
Salvation
(†With God all things are possible.†)
To: greydog; NYer; 2ndMostConservativeBrdMember; afraidfortherepublic; Alas; al_c; american colleen; ...
The master deceiver will stop at nothing to destroy the human race and their souls. The lies and deceit must stop.
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posted on
09/22/2003 9:32:32 AM PDT
by
Coleus
(Only half the patients who go into an abortion clinic come out alive.)
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