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Can Moslems Serve?
www.adamyoshida.com ^ | September 21, 2003 | Adam Yoshida

Posted on 09/21/2003 7:12:43 PM PDT by adamyoshida

Can Moslems Serve?

Sergeant Assan Akhbar. Sergeant John Allen Muhammad. Sergeant Ali Mohamed. Captain James Yee. What do all of these men have in common? They all served in the US Army, they are all Moslems, and they are all traitors. Akhbar killed several of his fellow soldiers in a grenade attack during the Iraq War. Muhammad was an unreliable solider who, after leaving the Army, killed ten people in a series of sniper attacks. Mohamed set up the terrorist cell which eventually bombed the US Embassy in Nairobi. The latest man on the list, Captain Yee, is a Chinese-American who converted to Islam in the mid 1990’s. Eventually he became an Islamic Chaplin and was regularly hailed in the media as an effective illustration of a loyal practitioner of the religion of peace. Oh yes, and was a terrorist too- that part is a little hard to forget. Given all of this, the question must be asked: can Moslems continue to be allowed to serve in the American Armed Forces, or does their presence constitute a security risk?

There will be those who will accuse me of racism for even raising such a question. How dare I question the loyalty of Islamic soldiers serving on the front lines? But events now leave us with no choice. Moreover, it is clear that al-Qaeda is deliberately infiltrating the US Army- Yee suddenly rejoined the Army after living in Syria for four years, Mohamed came to the US Army by way of the Egyptian one. A good first step would be to forbid the service in the US military of anyone who has lived in an Islamic country for an extended period of time and was not on government business of some sort. This might sound unfair to some- but allowing someone to join the US Army after a half-decade sojourn in Araby is like allowing someone just back from a six-year stint as a Factory Worker in the USSR to join the Marine Corps circa 1953.

Whether we like it or not the War on Terrorism puts us up against people who claim to be fighting on behalf of the Islamic religion. The Islamist creed is strong, especially among new converts to the religion (which a majority of Moslems in the US Army are) it is hardly unexpected that some will take seriously the calls for Jihad and attack their fellow soldiers. This problem is made much worse when these men are deployed to the Middle East where they are subjected to a constant stream of Islamist propaganda and called upon to fight their fellow Mohammedans.

Some have advocated the immediate discharge of all Moslems in the Armed Forces. I would not, perhaps, go that far. The discharge of those practicing the Islamic faith would unfairly punish actually loyal Americans simply upon the basis of their religion. Rather, a through investigation of the backgrounds of all Islamic soldiers must be undertaken and those whose loyalty might be even considered somewhat suspect must be immediately removed from the service. Many will call such investigations ‘McCarthyism’ and they’re right if, by ‘McCarthyism’ they mean ‘investigations that remove disloyal individuals from the government.’ Still, these investigations will find that only a minority of Moslems have terrorist ties or suspect loyalties- so what shall be done with the rest?

I think that we ought to look to history for a solution to this problem. In the Second World War Japanese-Americans, while forbidden from serving in the regular army, were allowed to join the 442nd Regimental Combat Team, which became one of the most distinguished units of the entire war. Deployed for service in Italy, members of the unit fought with fanatical and suicidal bravery thereby proving that they were as loyal as any other Americans.

This would be an excellent model to follow today. Most estimates suggest that there are somewhere between five and ten thousand Moslems in the US Army, the majority of them black converts. These men could be reassigned to a new ‘Islamic Brigade’, which could then be deployed to some theatre where they would be unlikely to have to fight against their fellow Moslems and where they might be kept away from the influence of radical Islamists. The men could be carefully monitored, with those showing radical tendencies being speedily discharged. They could be placed under the spiritual guidance of extremely carefully vetted moderate Islamic clerics and guided towards a peaceful and ‘Americanized’ form of Islam.


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To: adamyoshida
Imagine the following in '39 or for that matter at any time since arguing to allow another enemy into our armed forces:

These men could be reassigned to a new ‘Nazi Brigade’, which could then be deployed to some theatre where they would be unlikely to have to fight against their fellow Nazis and where they might be kept away from the influence of radical Nazis showing radical tendencies being speedily discharged. They could be placed under the spiritual guidance of extremely carefully vetted moderate Nazis and guided towards a peaceful and ‘Americanized’ form of Nazism.

Now, see how stupid this writer's "logic" is?

21 posted on 09/21/2003 7:51:32 PM PDT by gg188
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To: gg188
I think that the problem with Moslems is more analagous to that of the Japanese than it is to Nazis.

Not all Moslems are Islamists- but they can't be quite trusted either. Putting them in a special unit, away from the Middle East and under the right leadership could be very benificial.
22 posted on 09/21/2003 7:53:32 PM PDT by adamyoshida
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To: umgud
Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all are taught we are the infidel.

Well wait, we infidels are offered the dhimmitude clause, which traditionally has meant that we can live as third class citizens. But that was before the age of bombs, so.....

23 posted on 09/21/2003 7:55:03 PM PDT by xJones
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To: CROSSHIGHWAYMAN
Agreed. Islam is radically different than Judaism or Christianity because it is a religious and POLITICAL construct. To them, if you're not a Muslim you are a member of the "House of War" or an infidel. Their ultimate goal is a world-wide hegemony ruled by Islamic clerics under Sharia law. The so called Judeo-Christian West represents the greatest impediment to achieving those goals. To a true Muslim western life and culture is antithetical to their worldview.
24 posted on 09/21/2003 7:56:37 PM PDT by bereanway
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To: adamyoshida
Plenty- but every example of treason committed in the US Army in recent years has been by a Moslem, despite the fact that Moslems make up less than 1% of the Army.

I assume you've researched that and have facts to back it up?

25 posted on 09/21/2003 8:03:43 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: FreedomCalls
The Navy used to have servers from the Phillipines but had to get rid of them because it wasn't PC. Perhaps. . .
26 posted on 09/21/2003 8:03:50 PM PDT by ladyjane
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To: adamyoshida
No. Moslems are not a nation, so the analogy to "Japan" is not valid. Perhaps analagous to imperialist Shitos in Japan. Regardless, it would be common sense to bar from your armed forces (or from your soil for that matter) people who swear by a creed that calls for your slaughter. But that goes to the heart of believing in the rightness of your cause. We don't believe in our cause---freedom---enough, nor love our children enough, to do what is necessary to make SURE that no one calling for our destruction breathes another breath. Thank God our fathers DID believe in the rightness of America and the rightness of the Bible to prevail over all previous threats.
27 posted on 09/21/2003 8:10:28 PM PDT by gg188
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To: adamyoshida
I think that we ought to look to history for a solution to this problem. In the Second World War Japanese-Americans, while forbidden from serving in the regular army, were allowed to join the 442nd Regimental Combat Team, which became one of the most distinguished units of the entire war.

Interesting idea, but I think we are beyond such notions today. You will not be seeing Moslem concentration camps either. If a Moslem, or a service member of another faith, has a problem obeying orders, they shouldn't be in the military. Moslems have killed more Moslems than everyone else combined. So I think such feelings are more individual in nature, than due to the teachings of their religion.

28 posted on 09/21/2003 8:22:49 PM PDT by TheDon (Why do liberals always side with the enemies of the United States?)
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To: Zeroisanumber
Wasn't the OK City bomber ex-military?
29 posted on 09/21/2003 8:23:47 PM PDT by TheDon (Why do liberals always side with the enemies of the United States?)
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To: xJones
"The only way to stop the prejudice against American Muslims is for THEM to put America first...It's really up to American Muslims."

Yes, it really is. And this is not such a difficult or complicated thing. Be patriotic, display the flag, and let no one doubt you love America!

People who are smart enough to have come here, and many of whom have fine jobs, doctors, lawyers, accountants, engineers, I think they can figure it out.

And if they are so cowed, so afraid of their peers, so much the more they need to show their love of AMERICA, of FREEDOM, of LIBERTY.

Or not. But we at FR, and in most of America aren't buying the "religion of peace" line (see I didn't say cr*p!) even if it is sold to us by our beloved "W". Let one more thing happen, and then no amount of parades, etc. will save Muslims in America from our righteous wrath.

I don't think they are with us. But I am open to persuasion otherwise.

Waiting for more shoes to drop. But, as you say, it is up to them. If they won't take the cue, it will be up to us.

God save us (or damn us, rather) if we fail.

30 posted on 09/21/2003 8:30:10 PM PDT by jocon307 (how much trouble is THIS post going to get me in?)
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To: TheDon
Timmy had a microchip in his butt telling him what to do, so his case doesn't count. = )
31 posted on 09/21/2003 8:37:39 PM PDT by Hoplite
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To: adamyoshida
Yes Moslems can serve.

They just cannot serve in any United States orginization.

Their loyality is to Allah as they recognize him through their scriptures- the Koran.

And the Koran is anti United States and all we stand for.
32 posted on 09/21/2003 8:38:09 PM PDT by Kay Soze (If punch card voting is not legal than Davis is not the Gov and Gore did not win California!)
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To: TheDon
Wasn't the OK City bomber ex-military?

Yeah, and he was one of those damn untrustworthy Christians! That makes 100% of the Ryder Truck-utilizing ex-military Treasonous acts the fault of Christians in the military! For the love of God why do we let these people into our armed forces? /really thick sarcasm

33 posted on 09/21/2003 8:40:48 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: Zeroisanumber
Umm, McVeigh was an atheist (until the day he was executed).
34 posted on 09/21/2003 8:45:01 PM PDT by Guillermo ( Proud Infidel)
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To: Guillermo
Details, details.

The point was to turn the tar brush back on the author, so this is one of those rare cases where facts don't matter.

35 posted on 09/21/2003 8:52:11 PM PDT by Zeroisanumber
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To: adamyoshida
No man can serve two masters
either he will love the one and hate the other
or hate the one and love the other

Loyalty to Islam and its tenents and fellow muslim's struggles
or to the USA and its troops...

36 posted on 09/21/2003 8:52:51 PM PDT by joesnuffy (Moderate Islam Is For Dilettantes)
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To: gg188
Dude---Catholics and Jews are not at war with whites, Catholics, Jews and protestants and have not sworn allegiance to a creed to kill them, nor flown airplanes into buildings containing them.

Hey, that's right. Muslims are at war with whites and have sworn to kill them! Gee, I know quite a few Muslims who'll have to commit suicide on the basis of that oath. The Muslims flew airplanes into our buildings too.

Oh wait. Now that I think about it, that wasn't Muslims in general; that was just Al Qaeda. Oh well, what the heck. We need a good holy war, so let's just blame all the Muslims.

37 posted on 09/21/2003 8:55:03 PM PDT by findingtruth
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To: Zeroisanumber
Comparing Islam, which says to install Islamic Law as the form of governance, to Christianity, which says obey the secular authority, is a sign of ignorance.
38 posted on 09/21/2003 8:57:54 PM PDT by Guillermo ( Proud Infidel)
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To: Zeroisanumber
He was a Gulf War vet, too. Man, we gotta watch out for them guys!
39 posted on 09/21/2003 8:58:46 PM PDT by findingtruth
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To: Kay Soze
And the Koran is anti United States and all we stand for.

Darned right! Do you realize the Koran would deny our sacred right to abortion?

40 posted on 09/21/2003 9:02:53 PM PDT by findingtruth
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