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Ancient River Found Flowing Beneath Toronto
Reuters/Yahoo ^ | 9-19-2003

Posted on 09/19/2003 2:54:36 PM PDT by blam

Ancient River Found Flowing Beneath Toronto

TORONTO (Reuters) - A river runs through it -- wide, deep, cold and ancient -- and few people in Toronto suspect it's even there.

There's an ice-age river flowing deep under Canada's largest city. There has been for at least a million years but it wasn't until last month that anyone saw any real evidence of it.

The discovery of the glacial river happened when workers were trying to cap two artesian wells, part of a stormwater runoff project in High Park, one of the city's largest parks, near the shore of Lake Ontario.

One well was capped, and then, as the other was being capped, the first well blew off like a broken water main, spewing water 15 feet into the air.

As that cap was being repaired, the second blew off, shooting up water and gravel.

Consultation with experts confirmed the workers had siphoned into the rumored, yet still largely unknown, Laurentian River system running underneath the city.

"We've discovered where it probably comes out into Lake Ontario," said an elated Bill Snodgrass, senior engineer responsible for groundwater quality management for the city of Toronto. "What we never really knew before was where it connected to Lake Ontario."

The existence of a bedrock valley was first documented in the first half of the century, but its exact location remained largely unknown, said Steve Holysh, a hydrogeologist working on the project.

It was likely formed one to five million years ago when layers of debris carried by glaciers covered up the bedrock valley.

In tests done in August, researchers at the High Park site expected to hit bedrock at about 40 feet, but it wasn't until a depth of 123 feet that they hit the river system, technically known as an artesian aquifer. They hit bedrock at 145 feet.

The water flows extremely slowly in a sand and gravel stratum, which could be a 20- to 30-foot layer on top of bedrock.

It would take thousands of years for the water to travel to Toronto from the groundwater system's origin. City hydrogeologists say the Laurentian travels at the stunningly slow rate of about one centimeter a year.

It's origin is likely near Georgian Bay, about 93 miles north of Toronto.

The water is drinkable, but it tastes distinctly of iron, and the city of Toronto has no plans to tap the underground river as a source of drinking water.


TOPICS: Canada; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: ancient; flowing; river; toronto
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To: blam
has been for at least a million years

How do they know it has been there a million years?

21 posted on 09/19/2003 3:37:22 PM PDT by LiteKeeper
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To: LiteKeeper
How do they know it has been there a million years?

Based on the rate of flow I would guess. Presuming that Georgian Bay is the source and the rate of flow is 1 cm / year, the math is relatively straight forward.

22 posted on 09/19/2003 4:01:14 PM PDT by ExpatCanuck
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To: blam
How soon before ELF proves that we have already polluted it and the Canadian government sues us in the World Court for the cost of cleaning it up?
23 posted on 09/19/2003 4:03:28 PM PDT by muir_redwoods
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To: blam
bump
24 posted on 09/19/2003 4:40:49 PM PDT by RudeJude
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To: Young Werther
You, sir, are a heel!
25 posted on 09/19/2003 4:47:33 PM PDT by null and void (Tomorrow's another day - and there's always the FBI files...)
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
OMG!! You're from Bowling Green Kentucky? Woooo! the birthplace of my darlin!!


26 posted on 09/19/2003 5:21:34 PM PDT by glock rocks (shoot fast. shoot straight. shoot safe. practice. carry. molon labe)
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To: glock rocks
Nice car - you obviously prefer German guns and American cars. Since I drive an M3 and own a S & W .357 I guess I am your opposite!

BTW, check out

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/985773/posts

All is not well in BG these days!
27 posted on 09/19/2003 6:13:56 PM PDT by 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
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To: 2 Kool 2 Be 4-Gotten
a few austrian guns (via Smyrna GA) a few German guns (SIG) and a few American guns (Ruger, RRA, Remington, Colt, etc.) ... I believe in diversity, if properly done.

yah, heard bout the stink at WKU. just damn. my favorite place in BG (in the early 90's) was Container World. I sincerely hope it's still there.
28 posted on 09/19/2003 6:20:04 PM PDT by glock rocks (shoot fast. shoot straight. shoot safe. practice. carry. molon labe)
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To: blam
Am I the only one thinking "Ghostbusters" and the subterranean river of pink slime?
29 posted on 09/19/2003 6:22:30 PM PDT by surely_you_jest
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To: Loyalist
we have an interesting counterpart to the story here in Salt Lake City...

City Creek runs down the hills north of the city, and by bald headed certainty, nobody but nobody is gonna mess with City Creek, cause the enviros will castrate anybody that so much as walks a dawg up the highway beside it... well, the creek runs above ground to North Temple street, then disappears into an underground culvert, never to be seen again until it drains into the Great Salt Lake... an inland saturated saline sea in which nothing but one species of crustacian and a lot of primary processed sewage lives.

amazing.

so we have underground rivers here in Utah, but I guess the dynamics are, um, somewhat different.
30 posted on 09/19/2003 6:30:42 PM PDT by glock rocks (shoot fast. shoot straight. shoot safe. practice. carry. molon labe)
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To: Republicus2001
The Boat of Charon (Chirac?)

The damned being driven off the boat into hell.

31 posted on 09/19/2003 7:09:40 PM PDT by Davea
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To: blam; martin_fierro

Some trivia you: Contrary to common assumptions, the city of Pittsburgh doesn't get its water from any of its famous Three Rivers. Instead, they tap into a similar underground aquifer, often called "The Fourth River", which happens to pass directly under "The Point" and the other three surface rivers. The fountain at Point State Park taps directly into this aquifer, as do many of the office buildings and the convention center.

32 posted on 09/19/2003 7:43:16 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
What you say!
33 posted on 09/19/2003 7:46:38 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Great Googlymoogly!)
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To: martin_fierro
You didn't know that?
Here's a quick link that tells a little about it being used for the waterfall at Heinz Hall Plaza.
I'm sure there must be other info on the Web as well.
34 posted on 09/19/2003 7:59:57 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: Willie Green
I had absolutely no dinglydangdoodle idea.

But then, ign'ern'ce is bliss, 'n'at.
35 posted on 09/19/2003 8:07:30 PM PDT by martin_fierro (Great Googlymoogly!)
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To: martin_fierro
I had absolutely no dinglydangdoodle idea.

Like I said, it's not common knowledge, and I'm sure many of the surrounding smaller communities may get their water out of the other rivers.

It's possible that I knew about it since I grew up in a community near the old Aspinwall Water Filtration Plant (now Waterworks Mall), which used to supply the city. I'm not 100% certain that tapped the aquifer, though.

But I can also remember a bit about it from going downtown with my Dad when I was a kid. We'd drive down Rt 28, and just as we passed the Heinz Plant coming in to the North Side, there was a funky intersection near the old Fort Wayne Cigar Store where the street split at a sharp angle. Anyway, right on that pointy intersection there was a big set of steps leading down, underground -- and there was a big cast-iron railing around it, but it was fenced off so nobody could use the steps. I remember asking my Dad what that was for, and he said they built that back in the early 1900~20s (or something like that) when they were first trying to put in a subway. But construction stopped and the project flopped because they kept running into that dang "underground river". LOL!

36 posted on 09/19/2003 8:28:46 PM PDT by Willie Green (Go Pat Go!!!)
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To: glock rocks
I love the fact that when they say "red" it's a two sylable word. (Rayid)
37 posted on 09/19/2003 8:56:48 PM PDT by Mayhem (Peace is always preferable, but war is sometimes necessary)
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To: Mayhem
my first landing in Nashville, I saw a young southren mama chasing her boy down the concourse hollering at him... Ker-eeh-ya-us, Ker-eeh-ya-us!!! aha. the kid's name was Chris.

yah? took a couple trips to NY and Boston to figure it all out.
See, in the northeast, they chop off syllables. (j'eet? naw. lesgweet.)

In the south they incorporate those spare syllables to keep the universal law of conservation of syllables consistent.
38 posted on 09/19/2003 9:35:49 PM PDT by glock rocks (shoot fast. shoot straight. shoot safe. practice. carry. molon labe)
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To: blam
similar story

this ones about the flooding and loss of a western NY salt mine - which is about 60 miles south of Toronto -

39 posted on 09/20/2003 2:58:22 AM PDT by Revelation 911 (proudly taunting calvinists (my Christian brothers) since 2001)
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To: surely_you_jest
Am I the only one thinking "Ghostbusters" and the subterranean river of pink slime?

Yes you are, you FReak...

;^P

40 posted on 09/20/2003 9:35:07 AM PDT by null and void (Tomorrow's another day - and there's always the FBI files...)
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