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Space Elevator: High Hopes, Lofty Goals
Yahoo! News ^ | 9/17/03 | Leonard David

Posted on 09/17/2003 12:42:46 PM PDT by LibWhacker

SANTA FE, New Mexico -- No matter how you view it, a space elevator is a stretch not only of vision, but also of far-out materials and cutting-edge technology.

Putting in place a space elevator is complicated: Extend a super-strong ribbon from an Earth-situated platform at the equator out beyond geosynchronous orbit. Once in position, electric lifts clamped to the ribbon would truck spacecraft, science gear, as well as passenger-carrying modules into space.

But the quest for a revolutionary route to space is getting very real. So real, in truth, that the specter of a terrorist attack on such a stellar skyscraper cant be discounted. Nor can a host of thorny national and international legal and policy qualms be set aside for too long.

Those were among numerous issues addressed during the 2nd Annual International Conference on the Space Elevator, held here September 12-15. The event was co-sponsored by the Los Alamos National Laboratory of Los Alamos, New Mexico and the Institute for Scientific Research, Inc., based in Fairmont, West Virginia.

Mass exodus

No longer merely theoretical, research and development dollars are actually being spent on fleshing out how best to build these sky high beasts of burden.

The Institute for Scientific Research (ISR), a recently formed independent organization staffed with a cadre of multidisciplinary scientists, engineers, mathematicians, and other specialists, is currently shouldering most of the work on the space elevator project. A core ISR business area is in energy and space.

Preliminary studies of the space elevator suggest that it would be capable of lifting 5-ton payloads every day to all Earth orbits, the Moon, Mars, Venus or the asteroids. Furthermore, it could be operational in 15 years.

Now projected to be on the order of a $6 billion investment, the first space elevator could quickly reduce lift costs to $100 per pound. That far outstrips todays pricey launch costs of roughly $10,000 to $40,000 per pound, depending upon destination and choice of rocket launch system.

Better yet is the offering from follow-on and larger elevators, built-to-order by making use of the initial one. Lift ticket expenses drop ever more sharply, permitting large-scale use of space, be it for commercial, military, scientific purposes, or even the mass exodus of space settlers.

Economy of scale

"With the space elevator were going to reduce the cost, difficulty, and complexity of going into space," said Bradley Edwards, Director of Research for ISR. "With this technology, it would have a lot fewer critical parts than todays space shuttle," he added, perhaps making it far safer to access space.

"This is a different technology than rockets," Edwards told SPACE.com. "Whether youre going into Earth orbit, to the Moon, Mars, Venus, the asteroidsthe space elevator is really the way to go," he said.

Theres a key problem with rockets, said Bryan Laubscher of the Los Alamos Space Instrumentation and System Engineering Group.

"Rockets are not a technology subject to the economy of scale. Therefore, theyll never be cheap. The space elevator is subject to the economy of scale and opens up the possibility of truly inexpensive access to space," Laubscher said.

As this years conference organizer, Laubscher said that the space elevator "is a paradigm shift from the way we get into space now."

The NASA (news - web sites) Institute for Advanced Concepts (NIAC) recognized early the space elevators revolutionary potential, awarding Edwards research monies to hammer out technical details of the idea, prior to his joining ISR.

Patricia Russell, NIAC Associate Director, advised those at the conference to keep a NIAC credo in the forefront of deliberations, no matter how daunting the road ahead.

"Dont let your preoccupation with reality stifle your imagination," Russell said.

Laughing has stopped

Science fiction sage, Sir Arthur Clarke, beamed in his support for the elevator project via satellite from Sri Lanka. In technical papers and particularly in his novel, The Fountains of Paradise, Clarke has backed the creation of a space elevator.

"I do think it may be the way to space. The economics are fantastic," Clarke advised conference listeners. Space tourism, microgravity materials processing, astronomy all these and other uses that cant now be imagined could be tapped given the space elevator, he said.

The 86-year-old Clarke recounted an earlier prediction about when the space elevator might be up and operating. "Itll be built 10 years after everybody stops laughing and I think they have stopped laughing," he said.

Space debris worries

However, Clarke also pointed to difficulties ahead. "I dont quite know how were going to solve the issue of space debris. Thats going to be a major problem in making the space elevator practical," he advised.

With so much orbiting clutter, including spent rocket stages, dead or dying satellites, zipping around Earth all the way up to stationary orbit, damage to the space elevator is a worry, Clarke said.

There is also concern, Clarke added, that the heavenly elevator is sure to become a target for terrorism. "We need to remove economic and other grudges. But, of course, you could never cope with total lunatics that could do anything."

Although he advocates keeping the lawyers out of space, part of making the elevator reality is hammering out international agreements to utilize the facility for the benefit of all, Clarke said, "and the sooner the better."

"We can solve these problems. We just have to be careful," Clarke concluded.

Lab looks

The magic substance that appears likely to literally hold the space elevator concept together is the carbon nanotube.

A ribbon 62,000 miles (100,000 kilometers) long made of carbon nanotubes would be some three feet (less than a meter) wide and thinner than a newspaper page. But that ribbon would be hundreds of times sturdier than steel and one-fifth the weight.

Carbon nanotubes are getting extensive in-the-lab looks. More importantly, predicted ultra-strength properties of the material appear to be coming true.

ISRs Edwards points to new work in China that suggests carbon nanotubes can be fused together, without need of a matrix material. If perfected, he said, single-fiber carbon nanotubes might offer incredible strength - several times stronger than what is required to fabricate space elevator ribbon.

"I dont see where theres going to be an issue getting to a strength that we can use to build the elevator," Edwards said. Additionally, a number of other space applications are starting to jell, he said.

For example, some experts have begun assessing the feasibility of building large space structures out of carbon nanotube composites, Edwards said. Once the structure is made, then the carbon nanotube surface would be coated with a reflective metal -- perfect as a giant, but lightweight, space-rated mirror.

Worldwide research

Nanotube composite work is a worldwide effort, said Rodney Andrews, Associate Director in Carbon Materials at the University of Kentuckys Center for Applied Energy Research in Lexington, Kentucky.

"This research area has started to catch a lot of momentum, not always necessarily for high-strength composites, but also for multi-functional type materials," Andrews told SPACE.com. "Were learning things very rapidly right nowlaying the groundwork for what we will be able to do with these in the future," he said.

Andrews noted that better techniques to look at and evaluate bonding properties of carbon nanotubes are also quickly evolving.

As for utilizing carbon nanotubes for the space elevator, time will tell, Andrews said. Meanwhile, the incremental steps along the way toward that space elevator ribbon goal are sure to prove fruitful, he noted.

"Right now, it is still a very young field. Its exciting to watch. To date it is too early to say, yes, its going to work [for the space elevator] but it is also too early to say no, its not," Andrews said.

Move the agenda forward

Next year may well be a turning point in the history of the space elevator.

U.S. lawmakers have written into an appropriations bill $2.5 million in funds to foot-the-bill for further engineering reviews, develop data bases, and address critical issues related to the space elevator.

NASAs Marshall Space Flight Center in Huntsville, Alabama and the Institute for Scientific Research see cooperative steps that can put more talent and time on the space elevator effort.

Kevin Niewoehner, ISR President and CEO, okayed use of limited internal money within his organization to push ahead on several space elevator tasks. But much work remains ahead, he said.

"There are political, legal, and environmental issues, as well as technical challenges with the space elevator," Niewoehner said. In his view, NASA and the U.S. Department of Defense (news - web sites) are the two key groups within the federal government most likely to have a vested interest in the project, having the resources, wherewithal, and experience to bring the space elevator into reality.

"We want to drive the message home in Washington, D.C.," Niewoehner said. "This is something that needs to be treated seriously. Its not the lunatic fringe. Its not science fiction. We need to move the agenda forward," he said.


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To: r9etb
Make for the greatest ride on earth! Well...Attached to earth

FWIW, The 'BigShot' on the Stratosphere in Vegas is pretty awesome.

21 posted on 09/17/2003 1:33:13 PM PDT by SGCOS (LoyalAmerican is a first class clymer.)
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To: r9etb
We should also research a super cannon approach. The Chimborazo volcano is on the equator on the northwest side of South America in Equador, not too far from the Panama Canal. It's only 20,000 feet above sea level however the earth bulges at the equator making its summit the farthest point from the center of the earth. Interestingly, because of earth's bulge the beaches of Ecuador are farther away from the center of earth than the summit of Mt. Everest.

It shouldn't be too expensive to build a 6 foot diameter heavy steel tube up the fairly even volcano mountainside. By initially using steam a large payload could be started up the tube, then a series of increasingly faster burning chemicals could sequentially boost the speed of the payload. Circular plates attached to the bottom of the payload could fall off periodically to contain each stage's gas. Large valves higher up the tube could initially stay open to let rushing air out but close just before the payload passes. I think we could get the payload extremely high, if not into orbit, high enough that small onboard rockets could finish the job. A space cannon and it's simple spacecraft could be very inexpensive compared to rockets.

22 posted on 09/17/2003 1:35:09 PM PDT by Reeses
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To: Doctor Stochastic
(26000 miles)*(3 feet)*(1/1000 inch)* (1.7 gm/cc) = 3067 tons.


23 posted on 09/17/2003 1:35:24 PM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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To: LibWhacker
"A meter wide, thin as a newspaper, one-fifth the weight of steel, 60,000 miles long . . . Think humungous snicker-snack saw blade, whipping wildly about as it fell, wrapping itself around the earth a few times as the planet rotated beneath it. Whole forests levelled, cities sliced and diced, crops destroyed . . . LOL, just kidding! :-) "

Party pooper!

24 posted on 09/17/2003 1:36:21 PM PDT by AngryJawa (Just JDAM!!!)
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To: AngryJawa
I may actually hurt myself while trying to think of an equatorially-situated, politically-stable country in which to base this project...

The equator passes through 13 countries: Ecuador, Colombia, Brazil, Sao Tome & Principe, Gabon, Republic of the Congo, Democratic Republic of the Congo, Uganda, Kenya, Somalia, Maldives, Indonesia and Kiribati.

Kenya and Ecuador are the closest you're gonna get to "stable"....

25 posted on 09/17/2003 1:37:06 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: LibWhacker
If it's guarenteed to take-out France, I'll risk it!!
26 posted on 09/17/2003 1:37:45 PM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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To: js1138
A closer examination of the actual tether design reveals its “fail safe” design. The “cable” is actually a thin ribbon of carbon nanotubes (30 cm wide x 1 micron thick – the same width and weight as a sheet of typing paper, more or less) held together with epoxy. This ribbon is a tensegrity structure: due to the rotation of the Earth, centripetal forces act on the counterweight 100,000 miles above the surface, “slinging” the counterweight outwards, thus pulling the ribbon structure taut and keeping it rigid. Should that tension be suddenly removed, the ribbon will lose its rigidity and break – and the portion of the ribbon below the break will crumble into harmless carbon dust! (The portion above the break goes into orbit, allowing vehicles to descend down the remaining portion from the counterweight carrying new ribbon, which can be spliced into the surviving portion and extended back down to Earth.)

It really looks foolproof, folks. The science is sound and the finincial analysis looks promising. The actual system will be less like an elevator and more like a railway; if all goes well, a railway to the stars is only decades away!

You and I may someday have the chance to visit space by train for the price of a trip to Europe today. What a great time to be alive!

27 posted on 09/17/2003 1:38:36 PM PDT by B-Chan (Catholic. Monarchist. Texan. Any questions?)
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To: B-Chan
You plan to ride a train for which the rails are likely to crumble into harmless carbon dust?
28 posted on 09/17/2003 1:42:44 PM PDT by Doctor Stochastic (Vegetabilisch = chaotisch is der Charakter der Modernen. - Friedrich Schlegel)
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To: B-Chan
(The portion above the break goes into orbit, allowing vehicles to descend down the remaining portion from the counterweight carrying new ribbon, which can be spliced into the surviving portion and extended back down to Earth.)

I'm a bit weak in the details of math and physics. If the tether breaks, what keeps the counterweight from flying off into a completely unusable orbit, taking the space station with it?

29 posted on 09/17/2003 1:43:36 PM PDT by js1138
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To: Reeses
high enough that small onboard rockets could finish the job

Given the mass of the payload, those rockets would not be small.

The trajectory would be highly elliptical and would need to be circularized. A quick Hohmann transfer computation shows that you'd need to do a burn of about 1500 m/sec to circularize the orbit.

Given the extreme accelerations involved, you'd have to do it with a solid motor (Isp = 290 sec).

If we say that the payload mass is about 10,000 kg (small, in comparison to the final mass of the tether), that works out to about 1700 kg of prop (leaving ~8000 kg for everything else).

You'd also need to have a something that could survive the g-forces of the gunshot, and still be able to point the payload in the right direction so that the orbit gets circularized -- probably have to use something like an ICBM guidance package.

30 posted on 09/17/2003 1:48:25 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
BTW, this thing has to be done at the equator....

Help a dumbass here??

Wouldn't you want it on one of the poles where it wouldn't spin at all??

31 posted on 09/17/2003 1:50:35 PM PDT by A Broken Glass Republican
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To: r9etb
Who needs a country? How about building a massive offshore oil-rig type of structure, somewhere on the equator...
32 posted on 09/17/2003 1:50:53 PM PDT by Paradox (I dont believe in taglines, in fact, this tagline does not exist.)
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To: AngryJawa
I may actually hurt myself while trying to think of an equatorially-situated, politically-stable country in which to base this project...

There are no political problems that a few hundred thousand troops can't solve, if you want to be brutally pragmatic about it.

33 posted on 09/17/2003 1:50:53 PM PDT by adx (Why's it called "tourist season" if you ain't allowed to shoot 'em?)
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To: LibWhacker
Although he advocates keeping the lawyers out of space

I disagree...we need to haul as many as possible up to the top...then push them out the airlock!

34 posted on 09/17/2003 1:51:53 PM PDT by 6ppc
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To: B-Chan
The portion above the break goes into orbit, allowing vehicles to descend down the remaining portion from the counterweight carrying new ribbon, which can be spliced into the surviving portion and extended back down to Earth.)

Boy, will it ever go into orbit, as will the "counterweight." If the Tethered Satellite System break is any guide, the "counterweight" will get a very hefty delta-V out of the deal, that will have to be taken back out.

35 posted on 09/17/2003 1:53:38 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: A Broken Glass Republican
Wouldn't you want it on one of the poles where it wouldn't spin at all??

IIRC, I don't think that you can have a polar geo-stationary orbit (been a while since I studied orbital stuff, so if I'm wrong, please somebody correct me).

36 posted on 09/17/2003 1:56:18 PM PDT by adx (Why's it called "tourist season" if you ain't allowed to shoot 'em?)
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To: Paradox
Yep, that's actually one of the proposals I've seen.
37 posted on 09/17/2003 1:56:29 PM PDT by LibWhacker
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To: r9etb
I wonder how much solar wind would effect this. That is pretty high up there away much of Earth's magnetic field.
38 posted on 09/17/2003 2:01:11 PM PDT by bicycle thug (Fortia facere et pati Americanum est.)
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To: js1138
If the tether breaks, what keeps the counterweight from flying off into a completely unusable orbit, taking the space station with it?

Nothing keeps it from doing that. It's what will happen. My very rough computation is that the TSS delta-V was about 30 m/sec, and it was only 20 km from the Shuttle.

Bottom line: a break somewhere in the middle of the elevator would provide a very significant delta-V.

39 posted on 09/17/2003 2:01:48 PM PDT by r9etb
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To: r9etb
this thing has to be done at the equator....

On a previous elevator thread, perhaps #23,600, it was shown that the elevator does not need to be anchored at the equator.

40 posted on 09/17/2003 2:02:38 PM PDT by RightWhale (Repeal the Law of the Excluded Middle)
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