Flow of Saudis' Cash to Hamas Is Scrutinized (NYT)

The New York Times ^ | 09-16-2003 | DON VAN NATTA Jr. with TIMOTHY L. O'BRIEN

[Itzlzha]

All the bashing of SA ignores the fact that the alternative would have the Taliban running SA to the detriment of the entire region

Pray tell, how would a Taliban-Style Government be different than how the House of Saud-omites operates now?!

Could the Saudi Secret Police become MORE brutal?

Could non-Islamazis be treated with LESS respect?

Could more $$$ flow to terrorists....more than now?

Wouldn't that be the impetus to finally destroy those Jawa-like ba$stards?

[John_11_25]

We are speaking about Hamas, but if you want to get into a conversation about ME politics, that's something different.

A-Q want only a few things and are prepared to pay the ultimate price to get what they want.

US and it allies out of the Middle East, including Iraq

Palistinian Issue solved (not talked about, but solved)

They see the west and especially the US as being anti Islamic because of their one sided view of of Israel.

Just like the Sien Fein, the Tamil Tigers, all who were recognized by their respecitive governments before the issues were solved (at least partly).

Now you may say we cannot talk to these people as they allegedy killed so many people in 9/11. Well in 20 or 50 years time when even more people have have been murdered on both sides, we will be sitting down to talk or the spiral will continue, if you think it cannot continue, look at Israel.

[Alouette]

we will be sitting down to talk or the spiral will continue

"Sitting down to talk" solves nothing, as 10 years of Oslo have shown.

[NYC GOP Chick]

You're a disgrace, and if I were to write what I *really* think of you, I'd be banned from FR permanently.

The fact that hamas exists solely to make the Middle East Judenrein doesn't come as news to you, does it? (That's a rhetorical question, btw.) That they want to kill all the Jews and drive them out of the ME -- as opposed to living peacefully next to them -- isn't an issue, is it? (Another rhetorical question)

[NYC GOP Chick]

To these types, the fact that these islamofascist groups exist solely to kill Jews is just a minor inconvenience.

[John_11_25]

"Sitting down to talk" solves nothing, as 10 years of Oslo have shown. So the cycle will continue. More innocent sons and daughters on both sides will be killed.

When the US got hit on 9/11, they started to take this thing seriously, maybe they have short memories, will it take another 9/11 to let them know this thing will not just pass like bad weather? It looks that way.

[Valin]

Palistinian Issue solved (not talked about, but solved)

The problem is with these people solved means large numbers of Jews dead.

[John_11_25]

I am not in anyway agreeing with anyone killing innocents.

The Hamas armed wing are wrong to kill innocents and I condem them for doing so, however they think they have a righteous cause. They also have another wing of Hamas which does in fact help the poor and needy in the area. So should we condem the poor and needy also?

On my previous post I was actually referring to A-Q and not Hamas and remember Hamas were set up with the assistance of Israel.

Everyone should have a pardigm shift and try to solve the problem rather then perpetuate it.

Hate breeds Hate

[JohnathanRGalt]

One of Osama's goals was to implicate the Saudis in the 9/11 attacks such that they would lose U.S. support and permit conditions to arise favorable for a Taliban-style takeover of Riyadh.

No doubt that the NY Times would love to aid and abet this goal, too.
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I disagree -- this is one of the few articles I've seen from the NY Times in a long time which appears to fit the facts.

I've traced 100s of Islamist websites -- official sites of dozens of terrorist entities on the official State Dept. list, Hamas, al-Qaeda, Islamic Jehad, the al-Qassam martyrs brigades, ... -- most are funded and owned by Saudis.

[NYC GOP Chick]

Hamas was set up for the sole purpose of terrorizing and killing Jews. The so-called "humanitarian" wings were set up to provide a facade of respectability and to raise money from dupes.

They and al qaeda are both islamofascist terror groups whose sole purpose is killing Jews, Westerners, Sikhs, Buddhists, Hindus and everyone else who isn't like they are.

So, are you saying that you're all for making al qaeda a part of the so-called "political process" and overlook that little mishap from 9/11/01?

[John_11_25]

The problem is with these people solved means large numbers of Jews dead.

Its taken over 50 years to solve to date and still no sign in sight. that mean children, born 50 years ago are now having their grand children on the streets fighting. They know no other way. There are in a war zone, they know nothing but hate.

The Israel's are in the same boat.

Both feel like victims

The question is how do we bring them both from the abyss and solve the problem, they cannot do it themsleves, they need help, not biased help, but help with the sole aim to solve the problem.

If you look at South Africa after the "A" laws were banned. The country is in dissarey, there were 22,000 murders last year.

But for 50 years they were treated like animals, then we tell to live like civilised human beings.

Its just not possible, people need help and from outside with people that really WANT to solve the problem, not because of Oil or riches from the country, but out of kindness to another human being (regardless of their faith or colour).

[Eva]

You have a very naive view of ME politics and you over simplify what AQ and the other radical Islamists want. They don't hate us for our stand on Israel, they hate us for the threat that we pose to the reinstatement of a new Islamic Worldwide Kingdom. American style democracy, with its free will and capitalist economic system is the single largest threat to the spread of their first century Islamic rule. Israel is only a major thorn in their side, the US is the MAIN target.

[Bobby777]

correct. we are in a life-or-death struggle with the jihadists. they are supported by such networks. and they are not dissuaded by "diplomacy". Israel's experiences prove that beyond any reasonable doubt.

[NYC GOP Chick]

Right! And the problem with deluding ourselves into believing that we can negotiate with these terrorist monsters is that they don't want anything from us, other than our extinction and/or total submission to their dream of islamofascist domination.

[John_11_25]

I was in Saudi for a few years, you are so wrong, they are so close to revelution, its unreal and belive me, if there is a revelution, it will be the UBL types who are in charge with the worlds Oil waelth at their disposable.

So be careful what you wish for.

[SJackson]

Personally, I've no reason not to believe he means what he says.

Sons of Islam everywhere, the jihad is a duty - to
establish the rule of Allah on earth and to
liberate your countries and yourselves from
America's domination and its Zionist allies, it is
your battle - either victory or martyrdom

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Muslims must prepare themselves for a long battle because
this century is the century of Islam, its ability and its victory
Sheikh Ahmad Yassin

[Itzlzha]

Everyone should have a pardigm shift and try to solve the problem rather then perpetuate it.

Hate breeds Hate

And eliminating the Islamazis breeds a better future for the whole world.

They started the fight, WE will finish it.

Cry me a river for their deaths...they were preventable if these ANIMALS evolved past thinking that an opposable thumb is a useless thing...

Their entire CULTURE is built around the ravings of a self-grandeurized pedophilic mass murderer, and the enslavement of the world to said philosophy.

War is wearing a strapped on bomb into civilian populations as to do the MAXIMUM damage to children and non-combatants...so war BACK AT them will be the systematic ELIMINATION of them all as a threat...since they ALL ARE a threat to all frere life on Earth.

Show me how they are deserving of sympathy or survival, and I will show you chapter and verse on how they have brought pain and sorrow to ALL they contact...including their own self-inflicted pain!

[Itzlzha]

um... the second to last paragraph should say "free" not "frere"...

Proofreading needs improvement....