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US Navy to Abolish Reserve P-3 Squadrons as Reserves, Guard Take Big Hits
The Nav Log ^ | 9/03 | Sherman

Posted on 09/16/2003 8:48:40 AM PDT by pabianice

Upon the heels of the news that the US Navy’s Multimission Maritime Aircraft Program is undergoing serious revision and may be in trouble ( US Navy’s Multi-mission Maritime Aircraft Program May Be In Trouble), Secretary of Defense Donald Rumsfeld, making good on his public decision to restructure the US military, has ordered the Army, Air Force, Navy and Marines to draft plans for a major restructuring of the 900,000-strong National Guard and Reserve forces. The Nav Log notes that, chief among the changes will be the end to the US Navy’s Reserve maritime air patrol (VP) squadrons – a type of unit in continuous US service since the 1930s. A significant downsizing will also occur within the Reserve strike-fighter and combat-support rotary wing communities, along with most of the rest of the Naval Air Reserve forces. While the Navy is experimenting with blimps and a system called LASH (Littoral Airborne Sensor - Hyperspectral), which sees objects submerged in shallow/littoral waters, the end to Reserve MPA squadrons is unprecedented.

In July, to better provide troops for fighting the war on terrorism, Rumsfeld ordered the four service secretaries and the Joint Chiefs of Staff to create a system to reduce the need for calling up large numbers of reservists in a war and to do away with it completely during the first 15 days of an emergency. Private corporations might soon assume some Reserve roles, the Guard and Reserves would largely refocus upon homeland defense, and other Reserve units would be folded-into the active duty military for overseas deployment.

As the war in Iraq entered its sixth month, and with the liberal media increasingly shrill and defeatist even in the face of the US’ overwhelming success, Rumsfeld’s plan seems likely to have been, in part, triggered by what he sees as a mismatch between the demands now placed upon the US military and the force’s structure that was created at the end of the Cold War. The US has concentrated a number of its critical resources in the Reserves, including Navy anti-mine warfare, Navy air transport and logistics (VR), Navy construction battalions, Air Force Aerial Refueling (tanker) units, and Army military police. Further, a large portion of other specialties are in the Reserves, such as one-third of the Navy’s P-3 squadrons. There are now 204,000 Guardsmen and reservists on active duty. Ironically, today’s Reserve and Guard structure was created in response to the US Congress’ previous decision to spend the “peace dividend” in part by moving a lot of military expenses out of the active duty side, at which time the active duty military was shrunk from 2.1 million to today’s 1.4 million people. The increasing tales of hardship from the families of Reservists who are entering their second year of activation is a political development that plays well into Rumsfeld's desire to essentially eliminate the Reserves and is a thumb in the eye of the New York Times' reluctant embrace of the Reserves as an alternative to an active duty military, which it hates.

This most current directive from Secretary Rumsfeld follows one from the end of 2002 in which he tasked senior officers with determining which Reserve units should be moved to the active duty military.

The Naval Reserve Association is already reacting to specific information it has received from inside sources. Although not confirmed by the Navy, according to the NRA, between the end of 2003 and 2007, the Navy will decommission the following units: all seven Reserve Patrol Squadrons (in order: VP-64, VP-92, VP-62, VP-66, VP-65, VP-69, and VP-94); three F/A-18 squadrons (VFA-203, VFA-201, and VFA-204); an E-2C squadron (VAW-78); and five combat- and special operations- support helicopter squadrons (VS-75, VSL-60, HC-85, HCS-4, and HCS-5). Only the Reserve fleet logistics (VR) squadrons, electronic attack squadron VAQ-209, VAW-77, and fighter composite squadrons VFC-12 and VFC-13 would be spared. Many of the units to be decommissioned have already been deployed in support of Operation Iraqi Freedom.

Leaving aside the argument that this restructuring is the best thing to do, it seems likely that these decommissionings are simply the prelude to standing-up an unknown number of active duty forces – a move more politically palatable than physically relocating Reserve units to the active duty military while replacing the Reservists with active duty troops. Upcoming budget details from Congress may yield the best information for what is to come.

Going, going…the US Navy will soon decommission all of its Reserve P-3 squadrons.

(Excerpt) Read more at navlog.org ...


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: nationalguard; reservists; rumsfeld; squadrons; usn

1 posted on 09/16/2003 8:48:40 AM PDT by pabianice
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To: pabianice
Those often fly over my home and into Moffett Field.
2 posted on 09/16/2003 8:54:07 AM PDT by martin_fierro (A v v n c v l v s M a x i m v s)
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To: martin_fierro
Yeah, probably one more nail in Moffett Field's coffin. I always felt good seeing those and the C130s practicing landings. This action seems counter to building up the military.
3 posted on 09/16/2003 8:59:04 AM PDT by KC_for_Freedom
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To: pabianice
Rummy's been gunning to cut down the reserves since he got in.

To a certain extent, you can't fault him -- USE the reserves and everyone bitches about the deployments -- DON'T USE them and you're paying an awful lot of money for a lot of guys to hang around the drill site, drink coffee and watch sexual harassment training videos---not to mention the HUGE pension liability down the road.

My apolgies to reserve folks in operational units ; )
4 posted on 09/16/2003 9:02:13 AM PDT by LN2Campy
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To: pabianice
The Coasties always have a need for long-endurance patrol aircraft. I wonder if some of the P-3C's can be adapted to the "Blue Water" project. This would enable the Coasties to take supplement the Navy in another wartime mission.
5 posted on 09/16/2003 9:08:46 AM PDT by Tallguy (Just taking life with a grain of salt....oh, and a slice of lime and a shot of tequila...)
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To: pabianice
Just like the descision to kill the A-10s, this is a biiiiig mistake.
6 posted on 09/16/2003 9:26:44 AM PDT by grobdriver
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To: Tallguy
Yeah, like mine who just returned from Kirkuk, Iraq?

It's not using them that is the problem. It is overusing them and not expanding the Active Duty Force.
7 posted on 09/16/2003 9:37:10 AM PDT by TSgt (“If I do my full duty, the rest will take care of itself.” - General George S. Patton)
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To: LN2Campy
USE the reserves and everyone bitches about the deployments

You choose to be very critical of the reserve and guard with little substance in your arguement. Take for example the Air Transport Services of the USAF. Reservists currently provide personnel to fly more then 70% of worldwide missions on a day to day basis. Reserve "support" has been in the 50-70 range since the 1970s.
8 posted on 09/16/2003 10:21:41 AM PDT by richwolo
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To: LN2Campy
lot of guys to hang around the drill site, drink coffee and watch sexual harassment training videos---

Hey, I resemble that remark!

9 posted on 09/16/2003 10:24:01 AM PDT by Britton J Wingfield (TANSTAAFL)
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To: EO1TopDawg
ping! Check this one out. Equipment Operators are next.
10 posted on 09/16/2003 10:25:04 AM PDT by Britton J Wingfield (TANSTAAFL)
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To: Tallguy
If I am not mistaken, a large portion of the VP squadrons' flight time now is spent on drug interdiction patrols with the Coasties.
11 posted on 09/16/2003 10:32:16 AM PDT by Blood of Tyrants (Even if the government took all your earnings, you wouldn’t be, in its eyes, a slave.)
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To: martin_fierro
Those often fly over my home and into Moffett Field.

They've been a constant presence in the Bay Area since I was a wee lad, even if they haven't been seen as frequently during the past few years (for years they used to land every half hour, it seemed). I'll miss their distinct sound.

12 posted on 09/16/2003 10:33:42 AM PDT by skeeter (Fac ut vivas)
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To: pabianice
I'm beginning to think that Rumsefeild is trying to destroy our military.

We need the P-3 units to guard our borders. Should we actually fight against a country with submarines (Iran, North Korea, Syria, Libya, China) , we also might want the P-3's.
13 posted on 09/16/2003 12:52:49 PM PDT by rmlew ("Millions for defense, but not one cent for tribute.")
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To: richwolo
"USE the reserves and everyone bitches about the deployments "

I'm not sure that the poster was referring to the reservists themselves, but how their deployments are portrayed by political opponents and their allies in the news media.

14 posted on 09/16/2003 1:02:18 PM PDT by SoCal Pubbie
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