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SCO swings back at Red Hat
c/net ^ | 09/15/03 | David Becker

Posted on 09/16/2003 7:16:47 AM PDT by Salo

Controversial software seller The SCO Group fired back against Linux leader Red Hat on Monday, filing a motion to dismiss the Linux company's suit against SCO.

In a motion filed late Monday in U.S. District Court in Delaware, SCO argued that Red Hat has no grounds to sue SCO, as SCO's actions against the open-source Linux operating system have not specifically targeted Red Hat.

"Red Hat's legal action does nothing more than seek general guidance for the marketplace as to the legal rights SCO has with respect to Linux software," according to the motion. "This is an impermissible use of the Declaratory Judgment Act."

SCO rattled the technology world early this year by filing a $3 billion lawsuit against IBM, claiming that the computing giant illegally incorporated into its Linux software source code from the Unix operating system, which SCO controls. SCO further riled the Linux community by sending letters to 1,500 information technology managers, warning them that any use of Linux could expose them to intellectual property suits. SCO tried to capitalize on its claims when it unveiled a licensing plan for businesses that wish to continue using Linux with SCO's blessing.

Red Hat responded by suing SCO, claiming that SCO's actions have been a ploy to discredit Linux and harm Red Hat and others looking to promote the open-source software. The suit seeks a declaratory judgment that Red Hat has not violated SCO's copyrights or trade secrets; an injunction barring SCO from continuing its assertions that Red Hat's Linux violates SCO's intellectual property; and compensation for damages caused by unfair competition, false advertising, unfair and deceptive trade practices and "interference with prospective economic advantage."

"SCO's claims are not true and are solely designed to create an atmosphere of fear, uncertainty and doubt about Linux," according to Red Hat's suit. "SCO's campaign is designed to both slow the growth of Linux and to reverse its failing fortunes by convincing Linux users they need to pay SCO a license fee to use the lower-cost Linux operating system."

In its responding motion, SCO says its actions are protected by, among other rights, First Amendment protections of free speech. "Any governmental interest served under the Lanham Act (one of the foundations of U.S. intellectual property law) is heavily outweighed by fundamental governmental interests in protecting copyright interests, ensuring full and free access to courts, providing litigation immunity, promoting judicial economy and fairness in litigation, and safeguarding freedom of speech and the press," according to SCO's motion.

SCO's filing also attacks Red Hat's request for a declaratory judgment clearing Red Hat of any violations of SCO's copyrights. Because SCO and Red Hat have no contractual relationship, the motion argues, there is no "actual controversy" meriting judicial intervention. Furthermore, Red Hat has shown no evidence that it is likely to be sued by SCO.

"Red Hat's real motive for filing suit against SCO was to somehow vindicate the entire Linux industry," according to the SCO motion.

Representatives for SCO and Red Hat were not immediately available for comment.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Technical
KEYWORDS: ibm; linux; sco
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1 posted on 09/16/2003 7:16:50 AM PDT by Salo
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To: rdb3
Paging Dr. Penguin.
2 posted on 09/16/2003 7:18:00 AM PDT by Salo (Lying to a jury is perjury. Lying to the people is politics.)
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To: Nick Danger; Golden Eagle
Paging other interested parties.
3 posted on 09/16/2003 7:19:48 AM PDT by Salo
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To: Salo
SCO further riled the Linux community by sending letters to 1,500 information technology managers, warning them that any use of Linux could expose them to intellectual property suits.

There you have it -- unless SCO can back up its claims with evidence of infringement, anybody who sells Linux has standing to sue them.

To site the closest analogy I can think of to SCO's actions, I seem to recall Proctor & Gamble sucessfully suing some Amway people for spreading the "devil worship" rumor....

4 posted on 09/16/2003 7:35:25 AM PDT by steve-b
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To: Salo
It's about time for the dump part of SCO's pump-and-dump scam.
5 posted on 09/16/2003 7:42:24 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Drug prohibition laws help fund terrorism.)
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To: John Robinson; B Knotts; stainlessbanner; TechJunkYard; ShadowAce; Knitebane; AppyPappy; jae471; ...
The Penguin Ping.

Wanna be Penguified? Just holla!

Got root?

6 posted on 09/16/2003 7:44:40 AM PDT by rdb3 (Which is more powerful: The story or the warrior?)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
They've been slow/steady dumping since this lawsuit came out. I have yet to see any of the officers buying stock at market rates.
7 posted on 09/16/2003 7:45:10 AM PDT by Salo
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To: Salo
As usual, the lawyers will make more money than the programmers and software designers.
8 posted on 09/16/2003 7:45:48 AM PDT by Blue Screen of Death
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To: steve-b
We tore ours up (the letter). SCO can kiss my Linux @$$
9 posted on 09/16/2003 7:46:42 AM PDT by Rick.Donaldson (NMD @ MDA)
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To: Rick.Donaldson
If you get an invoice from them, don't tear it!!

You could win Big Money(tm) in a Class Action Lawsuit!


10 posted on 09/16/2003 8:05:49 AM PDT by shadowman99
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To: Blue Screen of Death
As usual, the lawyers will make more money than the programmers and software designers.

That's why I'm going back to finish my bachelors and then going on to law school... :) Even specialized IT skills are becoming commoditized.
11 posted on 09/16/2003 8:27:56 AM PDT by adam_az
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To: Salo
SCO argued that Red Hat has no grounds to sue SCO, as SCO's actions against the open-source Linux operating system have not specifically targeted Red Hat.

They have a point. A class action suit on behalf of all vendors who distribute Linux and all open source developers would be much more appropriate.

"Be careful what you wish for..."

12 posted on 09/16/2003 8:33:00 AM PDT by Redcloak (...from the occupied Republic of California.)
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Comment #13 Removed by Moderator

To: Bush2000; Golden Eagle; TheEngineer
You three seem to have a predisposition to call Linux users "blowhards" and butcher my comments in re posting them. So take a look at THIS COMPLETE little trip down "memory lane" curtasy of TechJunkYard as I remember.

Oh, speaking of blowhards... here's one who wants to steal the IP rights of thousands of Linux hackers...
And here are his friends, Bozo and Bubbles.


14 posted on 09/16/2003 12:53:44 PM PDT by Coral Snake (Biting commies, crooks, globalist traitors, islamofascists and any other type of Anti American)
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To: Redcloak

They have a point.

Well, no, they don't. The thing to understand about SCO is that their press releases tend not to reflect actual facts. Darl McBride is on tape, during his conference call with investment analysts, specifically mentioning Red Hat as a possible "infringer."

In addition to that, Red Hat's complaint states that

SCO cannot invite another company's institutional investors to a "briefing" where they make unsubstantiated claims, and then say that "SCO's actions have not specifically targeted Red Hat." But as you can see, they say it anyway. Because they are liars.

15 posted on 09/16/2003 1:37:15 PM PDT by Nick Danger (Time is what keeps everything from happening at once)
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To: Nick Danger
I wonder why these "authoritative" sources from the trolls don't report on SCO exectutives "cashing out" their stock like bilge rats attempting to leave the Titanic.
16 posted on 09/16/2003 2:07:27 PM PDT by Coral Snake (Biting commies, crooks, globalist traitors, islamofascists and any other type of Anti American)
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To: Coral Snake
FOOLED YOU. Up to this current session I was running WINDOWS. As a rule I just simply run the first OS on my Boot Magic double boot system and that is Win 98. I'm running Linux now so let's see if there are any more spams for a little experement.

ROFLMAO!

Care to revise your "theory" about your multiple posts being the fault of Microsoft Internet Explorer? :-)

17 posted on 09/16/2003 2:47:37 PM PDT by TheEngineer
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To: Salo
SCO's claims are not true and are solely designed to create an atmosphere of fear, uncertainty and doubt about Linux...

They mentioned FUD right there in the pleading? That's hilarious.

18 posted on 09/16/2003 2:49:51 PM PDT by Petronski (Calm down. Eat some fruit or something.)
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To: Petronski
I'm just waiting for someone to file a motion that includes a comment about McBride "smoking crack".
19 posted on 09/16/2003 3:01:24 PM PDT by Dimensio (Sometimes I doubt your committment to Sparkle Motion!)
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To: TheEngineer
I have windows 98 and have had nothing but trouble. Blue screen crashes and the damn thing refuses to shut down.

Everytime I get the problems fixed, they come back.

I'm considering upgrading to windows 2000, but this Linux debate has me interested.

Can Linux do everything that windows does?
Where can I get some good info on Linux?

Thanks...
20 posted on 09/16/2003 3:17:17 PM PDT by radioman
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